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Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by chrisjharris »

nbardy wrote: post #136
kelnos wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US also believed that giving China an example of "the good way" via access to the US markets would cause them to open up and allow access in kind. Turned out that was a pretty naive belief.

The US never believed this, the politicians told this story so they could get richer off trade deals and cheap labor. Anyone who was critically thinking saw this coming a long way out.

You might be right, you might be wrong, but it would be nice if you could acknowledge that any argument about what people were thinking (rather than doing) is a shaky one and hard to state with any certainty. Bad outcomes can arise as easily from ill-conceived idealism as bad intent.

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Post by sexy_seedbox »

e40 wrote: post #52
yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

I love the world we live in: everyone has an opinion on severely complex matters and proffers it in an absolutely confident way that their opinion is the truth. I don't like China's behavior (toward us and it's own). I don't believe for a minute that I know how to solve the problem, because every solution is bound to have unintended side effects, some which may be worse than the original problem.

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Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by kortilla »

fc373745 wrote: post #164
arthropodSeven wrote: post #153

The first half of the article refers without exception to this "Chinese operation." Only in this sentence in the middle of the article do they point out that there's only circumstantial evidence to attribute it to China: > But as with the Russian SolarWinds hackers, investigators have yet to identify who exactly the Hafnium hackers are—beyond Microsoft's assertion that they're state-sponsored and operate out of China…

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

> hatred for the Chinese

The equivocation of hatred for the Chinese and hatred for it’s government is itself Chinese government propaganda.

Any time criticism comes up of the actions of their government, the deflection method is to say it’s just hatred for the Chinese. This is done to prevent the Chinese people from realizing that people in the West are on their side and they are not their government.

Re: Chinese hacking spree hit an ‘astronomical’ number of victims

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Post by Isamu »

fc373745 wrote: post #164
arthropodSeven wrote: post #153

The first half of the article refers without exception to this "Chinese operation." Only in this sentence in the middle of the article do they point out that there's only circumstantial evidence to attribute it to China: > But as with the Russian SolarWinds hackers, investigators have yet to identify who exactly the Hafnium hackers are—beyond Microsoft's assertion that they're state-sponsored and operate out of China…

Is state driven media possible in the US? If so, is it possible that the mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese is a byproduct of state driven media?

> mass accumulation of hatred for the Chinese

What are you referring to? You mean articles that attribute hacking to actors with connections to the PRC?

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Post by Proziam »

chrischen wrote: post #126
baybal2 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, yes. I avoided stating it this bluntly for it being almost a cartoon trope. But... but one can't believe into any other explanation as any much credible. Do hundreds of US political insiders lobby for China in one voice just for nothing? You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders. American legal system prohibits jailing people for anything bu…

> You don't have closet communists, just a lot of very greedy, amoral, and easy to exploit power holders. Lol you’ve just described capitalists.

Actually, he just described people. Communist regimes have the exact same issues with corruption and greed.

Capitalism vs Communism is a useless debate if the will isn't there to hold the corrupt accountable and ensure that the average citizen is empowered (with said power secured both physically and legally.)

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Post by da_big_ghey »

freeflight wrote: post #163
da_big_ghey wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need blocking foreign direct investment for America by any Chinese from 20 years previous. Today we need grand incentives for tax reducing to make repurchasing of China investments in America. No Chinese should have owningship on any asset of America. Chinese is hostile power to good things all in world. Need containment to until collapse of government it have now.

Why not just ban Chinese from entering the US at all, just like in the good old times [0]? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

No, is terrible plans. We ought make open our border for any Chinese who desier for come to America. No person ought forced to be in such places as China. And also we are wanting good people desirous for liberty.

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Post by qart »

freeflight wrote: post #168
qart wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea. I am, by no means, advocating war. But the rest of the world has to take measures to ensure bidirectional access to information. Here's what I am advocating: If a country wants free flow of goods, people, and money, there has to be free flow of information too. If i…

> All the lives lost across the world to COVID and the economic impact of the previous year has demonstrated that "make peace" with CCP is not a good idea. The US has been the origin for not only the literally largest pandemic in the history of humanity [0], but also responsible for the last pandemic before COVID-19 [1]. Would you be okay with holding the US similarly responsible for disease emerging in it's sphere o…

Strawman. Not interested.

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Post by karaterobot »

Is there an English language website that tracks (ostensibly) state-sponsored hacks throughout the globe? I hear about Western targets getting hacked by Russian and Chinese actors, but other than big things like stuxnet, I almost never hear about what's going on in the other direction. Or about attacks that have nothing to do with the U.S. one way or the other.

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Post by tikwidd »

yumraj wrote: post #4

We need two things, I don’t think either will happen: 1) sanctions against China 2) a Greater Firewall outside China, right on all fiber cables, blocking/filtering all traffic from China. China is a hostile nation and we need to treat it as such.

Please don't assume that "we" are all the same people. "We" include a lot of people from outside the US, including China. I imagine our fellow hackers in China would feel pretty alienated reading this comment.

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Post by AlexCoventry »

pjc50 wrote: post #134
AlexCoventry wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from the small detail that we appear to be losing, this time.

It's a funny kind of losing. It looks more like "not totally dominant" to me, which may be confused with losing by people who've not experienced that. What has the US really lost ? No territory, no people; there's no stream of refugees to the "winning" Chinese side.

We just got done dealing with four years of leadership by a (possibly unwitting) agent of a foreign power, installed with the help of holes in our IT infrastructure. Our sovereignty and capacity for effective self-governance are severely compromised, at this point. That's more important than loss of territory or people, in the long run.
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