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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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You have to give whomever came up with 14nm process. Despite being super old it's still somewhat competitive. It's crazy Intel can't fix their process. They make more cash than amd, nvida etc. They make more cash than tsmc.

The power consumption graphs are really something. Can't believe it almost cracks 300w under avx512 workloads.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not be surprised if there was a lot of sunk cost fallacy on Intel's 10nm. They couldn't make it work effectively and it was so far behind that they bled out most of their process leadership. But rather than pivot and reset they've just kept hammering away at it. Of course the decision would not be trivial to make; the lead time for a new process node is significant.

Knowing very little about the subject... Is it plausible that they wouldn’t be able to get 10nm to work, but would be able to make 7nm work? Or put differently, would abandoning 10nm be tantamount to abandoning the effort to develop a smaller process?

7 nm and 10 nm are quite different (7 nm relies more heavily on EUV IIRC), so the 10 nm delay doesn't have to affect 7 nm. However, 7nm is also facing significant delays.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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I'm just flabbergasted that Intel has Thunderbolt support integrated into it's mobile chips, but on desktop it's business as usual, left to motherboard vendors to implement Thunderbolt themselves with the normal slew of add-on chips. Super frustrating that desktop users can't expect modern connectivity. It should be on the chip, like mobile. Notably, one can take any old TB4 cable, connect two modern Intel laptops, a…

I think Intel sees slots as mutually exclusive with Thunderbolt.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#65
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RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.

Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

> a basic motherboard is 300€

A 'basic' motherboard two weeks ago was the same as it is today, a low-end B550, and can be purchased for under 100€.

The 10900 trades blows with the 3900x, particularly for multi-threaded, workstation-type workloads where the AMD part pulls ahead with its two extra cores. And the 3900x can be had around the same price as a 10900.

So your "honest account" comes off as a little disingenuous, which may explain the downvotes.

(Yes, the high-end Zen 3 parts are pricey and have very limited availability right now, but that is afflicting the entire industry - see also consoles, graphics cards and many other things. With their own fabs, intel are uniquely placed to supply right now, but their CPUs are more competing with the last gen of AMD's if you're talking about a workstation)

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#66
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members Basically a large group of companies are forming a group to create an agreed upon fingerprinting system for 'content' (read: everything) to destroy privacy in the name of 'fighting disinformation'.

Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media? Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer?

Not sure why this is downvoted, the questions are constructive for the thread. To add a question: why is it bad if it's an optional component? Nobody's forcing you to disclose that you shot a certain picture, unless I'm misunderstanding the concept here.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#67

You have to give whomever came up with 14nm process. Despite being super old it's still somewhat competitive. It's crazy Intel can't fix their process. They make more cash than amd, nvida etc. They make more cash than tsmc.

Intel's 14nm process is, in terms of dimensions, closer to TSMC's 10nm, and their 10nm is only slightly larger than TSMC's 7nm:

https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/iedm-20...

That being said they really need to step up their game or else they'll be bleeding market share for years to come.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AVX-512 software is appearing. For example, for neural net inference: https://NN-512.com AVX-512 is a pleasure from the programmer's perspective, much nicer than writing software for GPUs or for earlier SIMD instruction sets like AVX2/SSE Versus a GPU, the AVX-512 machine model is just much simpler, and there are no drivers or proprietary compilers Versus earlier SIMD instruction sets, AVX-512 provides all the instru…

Isn’t the issue with AVX-512 is that different CPUs support different instructions? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVX-512 It might eventually get normalized but atm it’s a bit of a mess.

It's a bit less messy if you ignore the GPU-like Xeon Phi (Knights Landing and Knights Mill) and the failed Cannonlake that Intel definitely would prefer everyone pretend never happened. But that still leaves you with a progression of four levels of expanding support, and the Cooper Lake mess of having BFLOAT16 but not the stuff added in Ice Lake and Tiger Lake.

If you don't cut down the support table to eliminate irrelevant niche products, it's most of the way to being a Gray code.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#70

Intel is on my shitlist now for their new "Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity" with Microsoft and Adobe. I don't care how fast their CPUs are, they are dead to me.

Oh this is dreadful. I moved to AMD this year. Do you know good alternative to After Effects on PC? If I could get that going I could stop my Adobe sub.
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