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Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by outworlder »

rglullis wrote: post #39
jpgvm wrote: post #9

RIP Intel... They need their new process node and whatever new architecture they have in the pipe to land -soon-. Looks like my 9900k might be the last Intel processor I buy for a long time unless things drastically change.

Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

What an odd experience. I haven't heard of anyone having similar experiences with Ryzen, including myself. Maybe you got some unusually finicky motherboard?

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

#42

Post by outworlder »

onli wrote: post #36
rektide wrote: post #16

I'm just flabbergasted that Intel has Thunderbolt support integrated into it's mobile chips, but on desktop it's business as usual, left to motherboard vendors to implement Thunderbolt themselves with the normal slew of add-on chips. Super frustrating that desktop users can't expect modern connectivity. It should be on the chip, like mobile. Notably, one can take any old TB4 cable, connect two modern Intel laptops, a…

Intel still did not react properly to their new situation of being objectively worse than AMD. They lowered the prices a bit, that's all. Still trying to segment the market with locked processors, even introducing more limits on ram overclocking, and still refusing to honor warranty when enabling XMP. That's not a company that wants to compete, so I wouldn't expect big moves with regards to connectivity. Locked proce…

Nowadays they change their sockets at a much higher rate compared to AMD. Since you have to replace the motherboard to upgrade to a newer generation, the door is open to move from Intel to AMD.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by floatboth »

giuliomagnifico wrote: post #2

291W... whoa!

To be fair that's the peak under AVX-512, and looks like early firmware that might not do all the power management right yet.

Still, I can't get my 5950X to ever come anywhere close to that, even running AVX2 Prime95 with max overclocking tops out at 190-ish IIRC.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by texasbigdata »

smt88 wrote: post #34
LegitShady wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://contentauthenticity.org/our-members Basically a large group of companies are forming a group to create an agreed upon fingerprinting system for 'content' (read: everything) to destroy privacy in the name of 'fighting disinformation'.

Isn't such a thing necessary as we see US presidents falling for (deep)fake media? Is there a privacy-respecting solution that you prefer?

Well, privacy is a fundamental human right. Perhaps not doing anything is better than Adobes likely self serving solution.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by eightails »

mirekrusin wrote: post #20
CapriciousCptl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And 104*C without overclocking! Sounds like they’re pushing the envelope.

They should drop in kettle stand as a free gift.

Could be a good upgrade for the KFConsole -- turn the chicken warming chamber into an actual air fryer.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by [deleted] »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #40
Guthur wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not be surprised if there was a lot of sunk cost fallacy on Intel's 10nm. They couldn't make it work effectively and it was so far behind that they bled out most of their process leadership. But rather than pivot and reset they've just kept hammering away at it. Of course the decision would not be trivial to make; the lead time for a new process node is significant.

Knowing very little about the subject... Is it plausible that they wouldn’t be able to get 10nm to work, but would be able to make 7nm work? Or put differently, would abandoning 10nm be tantamount to abandoning the effort to develop a smaller process?

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Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by rglullis »

outworlder wrote: post #41
rglullis wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either I had really bad timing or bad luck, but somehow I am ending up with Intel even though I really wanted to switch. Around 2012 I bought a 4-core Core i5 and after some basic upgrades (max RAM to 32GB and a good SSD) it had more-than-acceptable performance for my work until mid-2018. Even when I dabbled with Machine Learning I borrowed a 1070 from my office and was plenty to run my tasks. Around end of 2018 I st…

What an odd experience. I haven't heard of anyone having similar experiences with Ryzen, including myself. Maybe you got some unusually finicky motherboard?

It's a mini-ITX Gigabyte B450, the Aorus line. From what I found online, there were plenty of cases of incompatible RAM that would simply not boot.

The "odd" thing is that this Intel system I put together ended up being the very same brand. I am regretting it now a bit because I realized that the board can only do 4k@30Hz through the HDMI port and the i9 can do 4k@60, but given that my laptop had a similar limitation and I got used to run with my monitor at 1440p, I think I will hold on to it until I feel like it is time to get a dedicated GPU.

Re: Intel Core I7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake

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Post by Guthur »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #40
Guthur wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not be surprised if there was a lot of sunk cost fallacy on Intel's 10nm. They couldn't make it work effectively and it was so far behind that they bled out most of their process leadership. But rather than pivot and reset they've just kept hammering away at it. Of course the decision would not be trivial to make; the lead time for a new process node is significant.

Knowing very little about the subject... Is it plausible that they wouldn’t be able to get 10nm to work, but would be able to make 7nm work? Or put differently, would abandoning 10nm be tantamount to abandoning the effort to develop a smaller process?

I am a very causal enthusiast but from my understanding there are many ways to skin a cat when it comes to process nodes hence with the company A 10nm vs company B 10nm are not equivalent.

Intel somewhere along the line chose the wrong set of solutions to achieve their 10nm process.

IMO these mistakes will not necessarily mean that some other node will be inherently disadvantaged other than the fact that they may now find themselves scrambling for tech lead. They will still have learned a lot from 10nm and hopefully should be able to feed that into future density improvements.

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