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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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This is why I supported the IRA. Every attack on England was an attack on evil. This pro-slavery attitude was huge from you people.

This pro-slavery attitude was huge from you people. Black people enslaved other blacks in Africa, Latinx shipped them to America where the natives were also enslaving each other. White people put an end to all 3 of these activities, everywhere. This is historical fact. PS I am Welsh.

Welsh, british, scottish, all the same. All three groups were slavers, both of Africans and of the Irish, not to mention countless other Asian cultures.

You rewrite history, white wsshing it to make yourselves out to be the great white saviors despite having participated for many centuries.

“Hey the Africans sold their enemies to us so it must be Ok.”

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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So this justifies it? What’s your address bro, I need a slave.

>What’s your address bro, I need a slave. No one said something about justification, but since you need a slave you obliviously did not evolve...let me guess your from the US right? BTW: I'm not your "bro" little wanna be slaveholder.

You are clewrly juwtifying slavery. Wvery single white supremacist uses this rhetoric:

Native Americans enslaved each other so they needed white Europeans to civilize them.

Africans enslaved each other and sold them to us so it was OK to make avaracian fortunes doing the same.

You enslaved Africans so it is only fair play for them to invade your nation, rape your women and enslave your populace.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Points 1 & 4 could be solved either via elimination of the party system (unlikely) or if one of the several initiatives to break up California succeed (also unlikely). Simply put, the problem is that when you have one party in control there's very little incentive for them to work cooperatively with the people. Points 2&3 are could also be solved by dividing the state up so that each region could self-govern. Given t…

Isn’t it generally accepted that increased diversity in a decision group leads to better decisions? Splitting the state up would draw territory lines where there are only cultural lines currently. Eliminating unions and splitting the state don’t seem to be feasible options. What else can we do, is there something less radical that can chip away to close this gap?

> Isn’t it generally accepted that increased diversity in a decision group leads to better decisions?

Perhaps evidence to the contrary, it seems widely believed that the governance of most Nordic countries and other nations like Switzerland result in (much?) better outcomes than the US. There seems to be something of a fascination with those nations in terms of their social support systems and the like. Interestingly, those nations are substantially more homogeneous the United States.

> Splitting the state up would draw territory lines where there are only cultural lines currently.

I don't think it's a given that this is a bad thing. The principle behind states and counties is that the populations can govern themselves in a way that fits their values. An extreme case, an Amish population that has gathered in a particular region, would probably not feel great about being forcibly assimilated into another group's social or governmental structures. Their beliefs are so disparate that it's difficult to imagine they would be able to find common ground.

> What else can we do, is there something less radical that can chip away to close this gap?

Acceptance of other people's values without demonization is key. The US has devolved into a state where the opposing political belief is now seen as a flaw of their character or morality. You see that Even on a site like this where the average commenter is better educated than the average citizen. (The comments about Trump supporters all supporting segregation as example).

To fix this, we need to break the echo chambers that perpetuate these beliefs. Unfortunately, because of the current polarization, it's difficult even for an elected official to agree with the opposition about any issue without reprisal from their own party or the voters.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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I'm saying internet wide. There's almost 20% more democrats than republicans nationwide. And since young people use internet more, it could be much higher ratio on the net. If 2/3 of US internet users are left of conservatives, that's why they get downvoted to hell anywhere outside their safe spaces. IMO the crazy moderators on reddit are a result of the left lean, not the cause.

No, websites have different cultures, so each one isn't a proportionate sample of all internet users. Reddit leaned a lot more right/libertarian before nearly all coservative subreddits were systematically banned under spez and Pao. Spez also enacted more subtle censorship like algorithmic tweaks to keep t_d out off the front page and eventually the creation of /r/popular to keep similarly "undesirable" subreddits fr…

Show me a single mainstream website where conservatives don't REEEE about censorship. You won't find one. Because any website large enough to capture a few percent of worldwide web traffic leans left. Because the English speaking world leans left and the republican party is a hard right structure.

The truth means nothing to those that wont listen. The Republican party is a far right monstrosity. The democrats in US are a right leaning party for all practical purposes. Hell, Biden said he would be fine running with a Republican VP.

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I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

Well...there was the small matter of a violent insurrection at the Capitol Building by people who variously: flew the Confederate flag, believed Democrats eat babies, refuse to believe the results of the election, all of which are nonsense beliefs or causes that were magnified on social media. At some point people in general - and HN in particular - have to decide when to rein in bad actors crying wolf. Otherwise the…

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Similarly in one party system, system of power is even weaker. That's why it resorts to locking up journalists and has to resort to violence against public bit more often than two party system does. Also power comes from the people in single party system as well. They are the one who build economy and meaningfully secure their own environments through various non-obvious systems. Single party system wouldn't be that…

> Similarly in one party system, system of power is even weaker. That's why it resorts to locking up journalists and has to resort to violence against public bit more often than two party system does. That's insecurity in my book, not weakness. Locking up and disappearing people over what they say shows the government has power over the people, not approval from them. > Also power comes from the people in single part…

> That's insecurity in my book, not weakness.

To see that it's actual weakness is enough to look at a few decades of history of China for example. They had single party for a long time, but were regularly on the brink of societal upheaval and even experienced few times very large changes, with a lot of people in power suffering as a result.

Nothing like that happened in two party system. When some people in US start to feel that they are manipulated by both parties (occupy, blm) you can see how they behave. And they are met with overwhelming force until they burn out and disperse again.

> I agree, but in a dictatorship the people are held back from what they could contribute.

Dictatorships are yet another thing, different than one party system. They limit people very severely just because they don't invest in any infrastructure that doesn't directly serve the dictator. And he is just one person (plus his most important people) and has limited needs and imagination. How much people can contribute depends mostly on what tools and infrastructure people are given. Even a completely free person without tools and infrastructure won't be able to contribute much because its the technology and economy around us that makes our work valuable.

> Perhaps they seem that way from far away, but the parties can and do change their positions over time and they compete with each other to please the public.

To see the bigger picture it's better to take few steps back so you can stop trees from occluding your forest. Sure. Two parties compete, they discuss, they change their positions, they seem to respond to what people currently want. But in practice most change is driven under the hood by influence and money not by the public discussion. And the public discussion is held just to explain away things. USA has for profit prisons not because people decided. But because someone with money and influence figured it might be a good way to earn more money, and pulled the right strings in the system of power. First you see the opportunity, introduce the change and then either keep it out of public discourse or just spin it as the best thing since sliced bread.

> A single party system may also respond to the people's will but since speaking your mind publicly is forbidden, you never really know who made a given decision. Someone may get blamed for it but you won't know if they were the true decider. That's why you see the same party maintain control, the top decision makers cannot be held accountable.

Most top decision makers in two party system stay hidden and unaccountable as well. Person who decided it's a good way to publicly market opioids was not elected. And you have no idea who are the elected people who were influenced to not be interested in this subject. If the decision turns out to be especially bad, you sometimes can find out who made it or at least who was chosen to be blamed for it because system of power drags this person into the limelight to punish them publicly. Same thing happen in single party system, where many former revolutionary colleagues had public trials for their wrong decisions (sometimes accurately, sometimes wrongly, but always very selectively, same as in two-party system).

> Mao is still revered despite causing widespread famine, for example.

What does that prove? US still reveres slave owners and native people slaughterers. Cult of Mao got stripped down a lot when Deng Xiaoping came to power. It was scaled back to the useful level.

> That's right, in a multi-party system the people can hold the previous admin responsible for any failures by electing a new party or individual. It's not so much about people needing an enemy as it is about acknowledging that all people make mistakes.

Two-party system is different from multi-party system. In multi-party system, the party that made the bad decisions doesn't get elected next time. People elect some other party offering some solutions and they have at least few parties and proposed solutions they can choose from. Offending party often has it's reputation tarnished so much that it dissolves. Politicians that formed this party need to join others, seek new alliances, come up with new ideas how to regain reputation. Actual change is possible.

In two-party system you just get few years of respite, before you are forced to begrudgingly let the offenders back into the offices and to again control your life by reverting many decisions of the other party.

> It's hard to get people to publicly take responsibility for their actions and it's next to impossible for that to truly happen when a single party rules.

Ultimately what's important is what happens, not who takes responsibility for that.

> In a multi party state, the losing party has a chance to come back and usually that involves some admission of error, otherwise the public may view them as stubborn. In a single party state, mistakes are either excused forever, or if you fall out of favor, then you have less chance to recover.

In multi-party state yes. In two-party state it's not a chance. It's inevitability.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Are conservative views -- low taxes, low regulation, strong military, opposition to abortion, opposition to gay marriage -- banned on Twitter? Let's be honest, we're talking about racism and anti-democracy, and if that's not far-right, what is?

No, you missed the part where this isn't about conservative values — it's about even liberals being banned and called far-right and racist and anti-democracy when they are nothing of the sort. Liberals are being called racists and anti-democracy as a way of attacking and deplatforming anyone who disagrees with the leftist tribe. This isn't about values, it's about tribal allegiance. If you actually believe that these…

You're being far too abstract, so it's easy to think you're making this up. Who did Twitter ban for disagreeing with the leftist tribe about, say, higher taxes, unions, civil equality -- all these cornerstones of the left?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Well no not at the outset, but we know fb, to follow this example, pays a small army of moderators. I suspect that has some kind of measurable effect.

I honestly think we do at the outset and especially before we evaluate. The full history would also tell us if these ideas were more common when they're smaller network but when they grow they aren't etc. The other thing we need to evaluate is if these platforms are just made of people banned from primary platforms and if that's the case, are these platforms really responsible for the surge of these types of people a…

It seems initial looks at platforms like Facebook aren't too promising, https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/2021/03/03/facebook-extre...
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