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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by kstenerud »

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider.

As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America actually ranges from center-right (Democrats) to far-right (Republicans), but there are many confounding factors due to their society being forced into the mold of one-of-two parties. Indeed, the choice of ideologies and political tactics are downright bizarre, even contradictory to the outside norm of left and right when viewed by a foreigner.

What always surprises me is the rabidity of the comments left on sites such as these (both left and right oriented). Although you belong to different tribes, your words are remarkably similar: It seems that you really do see the other party as made up of terrible people, misguided at best, inhuman monsters at worst, unfeeling and callous, perhaps even extermination-worthy in some extreme cases. This is not how politics work in the rest of the world.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by croon »

abernard1 wrote: post #297
orf wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them, not on whether offensive or not-sanctioned speech should be allowed in general. Because it’s often one and the same: the “identity” of the people on them are the ones spreading hate speech and disinformation. You don’t need to sugar coat it as “not-sanctioned speech”, nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Do…

> nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Donald trump!’ If that person says they don't believe the results of the election they are. If that person says that they don't believe the vaccines or lockdowns don't work, they are. Twitter, Facebook, and tech in general have lost this card to play. They've been banning people for things that have nothing to do with racism and everything to do with them being not…

> If that person says they don't believe the results of the election they are. If that person says that they don't believe the vaccines or lockdowns don't work, they are.

So spreading misinformation then?

You just proved GPs point.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by tor11 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #234
dagmx wrote: post #229

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All the "conservative" policies you listed are currently being championed for by the left however.

Who is responsible for cancel culture? Tech censorship? "Believe All Women"? Who is calling for a new War on Terror targeting the domestic population?

> Who is responsible for cancel culture?

Libertarians making money.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by blockmarker »

throwawei369 wrote: post #331
o_p wrote: post #285

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The free speech of facsists shouldnt be protected, Im glad there are hackers doing the right thing

Last I checked it's not illegal to be a fascist. Hacking computer systems and stealing data however is illegal. Whether this is right or wrong is debatable. Free speech shouldn't be.

When prosecutors, police and lawyers agree with them(or can be pressured), legality means nothing.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by krageon »

kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

> This is not how politics work in the rest of the world.

Between radicalised parties it looks like that everywhere. When people have only two choices, by necessity each choice contains radicalised fringe elements. For some reason societal factors in the US give these elements a huge presence, which I don't really understand.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by dragonwriter »

leereeves wrote: post #280
scrose wrote: post #264

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The Nazis were socialist only in name. I highly suggest reading at least the first book in Richard J. Evans’s trilogy on ‘The third Reich’ if you want your eyes opened to unbiased historical facts. Referring to names to determine the leaning of a political party or even community groups is never a good idea. Look at their policies and what their people are saying.

Absolutely, look into it. Mixed with their tyrannical racial nationalism, you will also find many socialist ideas; here are some examples from the 25 point plan, their early party platform: > We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. > We demand... that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise…

> Mixed with their tyrannical racial nationalism, you will also find many socialist ideas

Yeah, that's true of their early platforms, but even on paper (and much more in practice) socialist elements were progressively deemphasized as Hitler consolidated power within the party.

> Why read history in the very words of the people of the time,

You should definitely read their words, but you should read all of them as they change over time, and track the objective external facts of who held more power as they changed, and also check words against actions. Because just because something was at one point the words tied to a faction doesn't mean:

(1) that it represented that factions immutable view for all time across changes in internal power dynamics, or even

(2) that it was ever anything more than cynical, opportunistic manipulating propaganda.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by sephc »

throwaway189262 wrote: post #262
ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #235

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This explanation ignores the cabal of moderators which controls all political subreddits, as well as the fact that /r/politics and /r/worldnews are regularly ridiculed in the rest of reddit for being Bernie-Central, to the poinnt that posting about other candidates on the left gets you called a traitor. Anyway that's why I get my politics on /r/anime_titties.

I'm saying internet wide. There's almost 20% more democrats than republicans nationwide. And since young people use internet more, it could be much higher ratio on the net. If 2/3 of US internet users are left of conservatives, that's why they get downvoted to hell anywhere outside their safe spaces. IMO the crazy moderators on reddit are a result of the left lean, not the cause.

No, websites have different cultures, so each one isn't a proportionate sample of all internet users.

Reddit leaned a lot more right/libertarian before nearly all coservative subreddits were systematically banned under spez and Pao. Spez also enacted more subtle censorship like algorithmic tweaks to keep t_d out off the front page and eventually the creation of /r/popular to keep similarly "undesirable" subreddits from the front page.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by logicchains »

endymi0n wrote: post #152
bmarquez wrote: post #109

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Except /r/conservative never claimed to be unbiased. After people started brigading and posting threats (examples are occasionally shown by moderators) they had to tighten up their moderation. In contrast, /r/politics claims to be about general politics but most content to the right of AOC/Bernie gets downvoted or deleted.

> most content to the right of AOC/Bernie gets downvoted or deleted As Reddit has a user base that comes from the US less than 50%, this might have to do with the fact that the Overton window shifted so far to the right there that the opinions of AOC or Bernie would count as center-right pretty much everywhere else in the western world, with the Republicans being off the charts lunatic extremist right.

Are you aware that the US recently passed laws allowing the government to sterilize and mutilate the genitals of children who feel like a different gender, even if the parents don't consent? I'm pretty confident most of the world would consider that leftism more extreme than anything the right has done recently.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by arethuza »

kstenerud wrote: post #381

I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…

"This is not how politics work in the rest of the world."

A lot of the debate around Brexit in the UK worked exactly that way - on both sides.

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