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Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by tptacek »

panny wrote: post #35
tptacek wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting .

Out of curiosity, do you also believe the official number of Chinese cases, which is around 89,000? Or to answer your question directly, I believe the media isn't reporting them. Just like they don't want to report Cuomo, along with governors in multiple states, knowingly stuffed nursing homes with covid cases. It all comes out eventually, but right now is the "fog of war" so to speak. We won't hear about the deaths…

The media isn't reporting them? You can get the stats directly from the states, all of which are vaccinating nursing homes aggressively. Are the leaders of these states all conspiring?

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by joshz404 »

1996 wrote: post #34
xur17 wrote: post #33

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Just to make sure I understand - you tried to resell the H1N1 vaccine?

Yes, back in 2009, I was a student and I thought "easy money!" :) It was in very high demand, and I could get some, so I figured, let the great material continuum provide to those who need it and have the money to pay for our efforts! Unfortunately the customs hassled the customers for paperwork (the health market is so overregulated!) who then hassled me. I was just in for a quick buck, and the vaccines were legit w…

Uhm well yes, medical products are nearly universally regulated. And often don't make it past customs - it's pretty suspect to try to ship a regulated product without proper documentation.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by felipellrocha »

yokaze wrote: post #40
protomyth wrote: post #30

I will say if you get the Moderna, that second shot is seriously painful. We had a pretty universal pain in the arm followed by chills followed by hot flashes then a day of feeling like you are walking through water. It was two days of crud. If you have a choice get Pfizer instead. The people taking that don't seem to suffer.

I've to counter your anecdata with mine. It's the same with Pfizer. Second shot can create adverse reactions. I know people who got flue-like symptoms (headache, muscular pain, increased temperature) for a day. Amongst doctors it is very common. Prior exposure to covid-19 is suspected to be a contributing factor. Still, it's better than the alternative: not being immunised and a possible patient/transmission vector.

I've heard mixed reviews from both vaccines. I suspect it's the underlying disease. You either get it or you barely feel it right? Anecdotal as fuck, but it seems to me it's the same with the vaccines, and if that's the case, if you had a bad reaction to the vaccine, you probably would've had a bad reaction if you had contracted the disease.

Count yourself lucky.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by bsder »

protomyth wrote: post #30

I will say if you get the Moderna, that second shot is seriously painful. We had a pretty universal pain in the arm followed by chills followed by hot flashes then a day of feeling like you are walking through water. It was two days of crud. If you have a choice get Pfizer instead. The people taking that don't seem to suffer.

I also know people who reacted exactly backwards. The first shot was terrible and the second shot barely noticeable.

However, as someone who got Covid, I wish I could have had the opportunity to skip 2 weeks of misery and months of recovery in return for 2-3 days of a reaction.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by Sebguer »

bsder wrote: post #50
1996 wrote: post #45

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I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid. Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.

> I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that is the science is so valid. Cite or you get a downvote. Name the country and the vaccine type. Would I take any of Moderna, J&J, etc. developed under scrutiny and forced to open their data to the public? Sure. Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable…

This FT article mentions the 76%, but the reference article is paywalled. It talks about specifically nursing home employees, so your skepticism is well warranted. This article from Reuters was the best un-paywalled one I could find, but lacks the % claim: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-france-va...

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by 1996 »

bsder wrote: post #50
1996 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that if the science is so valid. Antivaxx craze and fake news network effects can only explain so much.

> I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that is the science is so valid. Cite or you get a downvote. Name the country and the vaccine type. Would I take any of Moderna, J&J, etc. developed under scrutiny and forced to open their data to the public? Sure. Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable…

> Cite or you get a downvote.

Relax I just wrote from memory - I remembed the number, not the source, but someone gave an actual source. Happy?

> Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not.

I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M peoplefor over 1 year - even better if it's a tried and true old technology (not mRNA) like at least Astra Zeneca.

Until then, I will wait and let the other find out the potential dangers for me.

I am young and healthy, almost no risk, so waiting won't change my plans or behaviours.

And I don't presume to tell anyone what they should do (even if I really prefer if everybody got vaccinated, for herd immunity) - just what I am doing for myself.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by hkhjghg »

1996 wrote: post #48
throw374u9 wrote: post #41

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> I also do not trust chinese vaccine and their manufacturing process. Maybe you could have phrased that in a way that's not so racist? EDIT: I sometimes try to explain that I expect such things to be posted with almost 100% certainty, and that it's not nice to read such things that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26322291 so I must insist: you may not trust a company or manufacturing process, but not trusting a…

Racism?! Seems as likely me that you're publicly berating a student of English for the fun of it. Heck, if GP is implying that they could get the Chinese vaccine, wouldn't that imply they are themselves Chinese?

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by stickfigure »

1996 wrote: post #57
bsder wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've read that up to 76% of the medical professional in some EU countries are refusing the vaccine, so I wonder why they do that is the science is so valid. Cite or you get a downvote. Name the country and the vaccine type. Would I take any of Moderna, J&J, etc. developed under scrutiny and forced to open their data to the public? Sure. Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable…

> Cite or you get a downvote. Relax I just wrote from memory - I remembed the number, not the source, but someone gave an actual source. Happy? > Would I take one of the Russian or Chinese vaccines that have had questionable data releases? Probably not. I will happily take any vaccine that has been tested over 10M peoplefor over 1 year - even better if it's a tried and true old technology (not mRNA) like at least Ast…

You'd rather take your chances with the virus? Or do you plan on hibernating for another 12 months? I hope you don't imagine that any of the rest of us are going to share your caution.

Re: Why You Should Take Any Vaccine

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Post by inimino »

1996 wrote: post #48
throw374u9 wrote: post #41

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> I also do not trust chinese vaccine and their manufacturing process. Maybe you could have phrased that in a way that's not so racist? EDIT: I sometimes try to explain that I expect such things to be posted with almost 100% certainty, and that it's not nice to read such things that https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26322291 so I must insist: you may not trust a company or manufacturing process, but not trusting a…

China is a country, not only an ethnicity. Maybe you could have chosen to read "I don't trust a vaccine made in China" without reading racism into it that was never there?
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