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That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.
I think the parent comment was intended to be sarcastic.
Why You Should Take Any Vaccine
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is simply not true. It greatly reduces risk, but people still get sick, and still go to the hospital. Spreading this sort of false info helps no one.
That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?
There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear.
https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?
That sentence is an outright lie. Tim Zook died after taking it. Sonia Acevedo died after taking it. Sara Beltran Ponce had a miscarriage after taking it. [1,2] [1] https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 [2] https://archive.is/cGNNK
Tim and Sonia are not part of the trials being talked about
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#24There is an evidence that or immune system has either limited memory or bandwidth or both. See immune imprinting. So while taking once a ten year vaccine for not rapidly mutating pathogen makes it more robust, the case of regular intake for highly volatile virus is not so obvious.
There were already warning cases with flu and some other diseases.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?
There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear. https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...
23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sentence is an outright lie. Tim Zook died after taking it. Sonia Acevedo died after taking it. Sara Beltran Ponce had a miscarriage after taking it. [1,2] [1] https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 [2] https://archive.is/cGNNK
Tim and Sonia are not part of the trials being talked about
>Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated.
The statement clearly says, since the date when trials began, there have been no deaths among all people who received the shot. This is obviously an untrue statement and misinformation.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
That contradicts the article: Since the beginning of the trials, all trials, there has not been a single death or hospitalization among people vaccinated. Not one. Zero. Not for Moderna, not for Pfizer/BioNTech, not for Oxford/AstraZeneca, not for Sputnik, not for J&J, not for Novavax. Do you have a cite?
That sentence is an outright lie. Tim Zook died after taking it. Sonia Acevedo died after taking it. Sara Beltran Ponce had a miscarriage after taking it. [1,2] [1] https://twitter.com/SaraBelPonMD/status/1354890858789744641 [2] https://archive.is/cGNNK
In the context of the article, the implication of that sentence was "there has not been a single death or hospitalization [from covid]". I thought that would also be clear from the context of this thread, but maybe not.
Out of curiosity I googled those names.
Tim Zook: https://www.fox5ny.com/news/vaccine-ruled-out-as-cause-of-de... (the slug tells it all)
Sonia Acevedo: https://in.news.yahoo.com/sonia-acevedo-portuguese-health-wo... (basically, nothing conclusive yet)
We're talking about tens of millions (soon billions) of doses. I'm sure there will be some bad reactions, but there's definitely going to be a lot of simple coincidences too. I'm sure I don't need to repost the XKCD on correlation/causation here.
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#28Just want to point out there is decent evidence that the COVID19 vaccine(s) (particularly the mRNA vaccines) have a much higher risk(s) than standard vaccines.
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=...
It's self reported, but given the risk of COVID-19 is extremely low for anyone under 50:
https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/c...
Note: the fatality rate is likely significantly lower, due to many cases going untested. If you're under 50, influenza is a significantly higher fatality rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
Just wanted to point out the evidence related to the vaccines, aka flu vaccine is definitely a good idea (especially if older). COVID19 vaccines, would not recommend unless you are in your 70's.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
There were 9 deaths in France already among the people vaccinated. Saying it's zero is a pure lie. Whether it was caused by the vaccine, its consequences, or something else is unclear. https://www.ladepeche.fr/2021/01/22/covid-19-neuf-personnes-...
23 in Norway as well in one elderly home. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
In the US, we're administering the mRNA vaccines exclusively (J&J is just now rolling out) and we're prioritizing nursing homes. We've administered 78 million doses. Why aren't we seeing similar events here? Supposedly, the most trustworthy stat we have is deaths. Deaths in assisted living homes are plummeting.
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#30I will say if you get the Moderna, that second shot is seriously painful. We had a pretty universal pain in the arm followed by chills followed by hot flashes then a day of feeling like you are walking through water. It was two days of crud. If you have a choice get Pfizer instead. The people taking that don't seem to suffer.