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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by actuator »

drewg123 wrote: post #2

This is the best news I've heard all week. The more widely vegan "meat" is available, the more likely it is to be adopted by average people and not just dedicated vegans. Reducing the demand for real beef is probably one of the best things we can do in the short term for the environment, due to the amount of land required for cattle farming, and due to the surprising amount of methane emitted by cattle. (see the docu…

> and not just dedicated vegans.

Are vegans actually adopting these? I would have assumed non vegetarians eating fake meat more. A significant part of the world is vegetarian/vegan, so we don't have dearth of just plant based food preparations from there. Isn't it easier to adopt those things for dedicated vegans?

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by nate_meurer »

NoOneNew wrote: post #306
nickelcitymario wrote: post #148

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> The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. This seems to presume two things: 1) That vegans and vegetarians are primarily doing it for the environment. 2) That vegans and vegetarians can't do basic math. To the first point, I'd be fully supportive of plant-based diets even if the only reason was concern over the treatment of the animals themselves. The focus on the environmental benefits is real…

>To the second point, you say meat provides "far more" nutritional value than any plant. Maybe, maybe not. (I think "not", but I'm open to being wrong about that.) Every anthropologist: Human brain development skyrocketed and were able to maintain them when meat became a regular staple to their diet. Just pick any documentary or book on the evolutionary development of humans. Any! I'm tired of hearing this same bulls…

> Every anthropologist: Human brain development skyrocketed and were able to maintain them when meat became a regular staple to their diet. Just pick any documentary or book on the evolutionary development of humans. Any!

Go ahead and cite one of those sources.

It's curious that all the rest of the world's carnivores missed out on that skyrocketing brain development.

I agree with you about the sugar industry though. They're worse than big tobacco.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by kart23 »

jordache wrote: post #392

I tried the impossible whopper. You literally could not tell the difference between that and a normal beef whopper. I realized a lot the attributes of these commercial food products are the additions, like sauce, and toppings that contribute to that precisely calibrated flavor.

Impossible is really good, even the texture is nearly spot-on. However, I've found Beyond meat to give itself away pretty easily, and it has a distinctly chemical-ly, (plant?) aftertaste.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by serverholic »

diego_moita wrote: post #204
elktea wrote: post #59

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The popular crusade against meat is one of the more misguided. Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant and the environmental impacts have been greatly exaggerated. See below: Regarding carbon: "removal of livestock in the US would only lead to a net GHG reduction of 2.6% in national emissions. Similarly, removing all dairy would lead to a reduction of just 0.7%. At the same time, both transitions woul…

> Meat provides far more nutritional value than any plant Bullshit, the kind of lies that the meat industry loves to spin. Nutritional value is not one single measurable thing. And even protein contents (meat's most common nutrient) when measured per gram can be higher in soy and derivatives than in some meats (e.g: pork but and shoulder). When measured by calories other legumes (beans, chickpeas, lupini) beat most m…

Not all plants have complete proteins. Also there are other nutrients that are hard to get on a vegan diet like EPA and DHA.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by theNJR »

dilap wrote: post #362
endisneigh wrote: post #118

Is beyond meat actually healthier than meat? If you search my question you’ll see the results are hardly conclusive. What’s everyone’s take?

Personally, I very much doubt it. Meat is an ancient food. We've evolved as hunter-gatheres, with most of our calories coming from hunting. It would be very surprising if we were not well-adapted to eating a lot of meat. Modern hunter-gatherer tribes which eat a lot of meat, like the Hadza, have excellent health. Something like Beyond Meat is novel; it may well be OK, but I'd certainly exercise a lot of caution befor…

This conversation needs to be higher up. It's strange how much unbridled enthusiasm there is for fake meat within the first page of comments here.

I would agree, strongly, with your assessment of PUFAs. They are even harder to eliminate from ones diet than sugar. They are in most of what one eats that they aren't making from base ingredients.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by uxcolumbo »

gonehome wrote: post #353
numpad0 wrote: post #351

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> vegetarian, will rarely eat fish sometimes > Even if humans could draw this line perfectly (which I'm skeptical of), you'd still need to kill the 'lesser' animals in a way without suffering or fear. I just don't think that's logistically possible. So your line sits far above vegetables and below legged animals with fish near it on lesser side, I see...

I'm not perfect, I probably shouldn't eat fish either. Maybe I'll stop at some point. Just because you don't do something perfectly doesn't mean it's not worth doing at all.

Thanks for cutting back.

The gradual approach is better than trying to change overnight.

Veganism is pragmatic, not dogmatic.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by hammock »

the_gastropod wrote: post #446
hammock wrote: post #420

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Elephants spend 12-18 hours a day eating,[1] compared to 68 minutes on average for an American human.[2] Is that what you want for me and your children? [1] http://www.nationalelephantcenter.org/learn/#:~:text=Since%2... . [2] https://www.foodnetwork.com/fn-dish/news/2015/07/guess-how-m...

And lions spend 20 hours a day sleeping... what's your point?

They can sleep 20 hours a day because they only eat once every four days. If they had opposable thumbs they might do something else.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by smegger001 »

wyre wrote: post #234
DamnYuppie wrote: post #139

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My understanding is that cooked meat has much higher caloric value than vegetables. To be honest if it wasn't so good for us we wouldn't have evolved to consume it!

Cows need to eat thousands of pounds of plants before they are at a size to get slaughtered and prepared as food. Humans evolved to eat meat as a way to survive through winter. Early diets relied heavily on gathered foods.

how much of that was human edible callories? free grazing cattle will eat plant humans won't/can't. there is alot of land thats used for grazing that is not suitable for planting crops for a variety of reasons.

Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by [deleted] »

novok wrote: post #189
tmotwu wrote: post #110

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Those arguments always drive me nuts because they're all so bro sciencey, and I'm not even vegan or vegetarian. Sure, meat offers a different set of nutritional value than vegetables - you can most definitely replace it entirely with other sources and remain very healthy. Billions of people have done it for centuries and continue to do so, as you've said.

It's not brosciency, it's called bioavailablity. Ex: Carrots have a lot of a vitamin A precursor in the form of beta carotene, but the rate it's absorbed compared to the form commonly in the liver (retinol), is significantly lower and is reduced even further if you have certain health problems, including common ones like diabetes or insulin resistance.

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Re: Beyond Meat signs global supply deals with McDonald’s, KFC and Pizza Hut

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Post by cynoclast »

I just want to point out that there's no way they would be doing this if it weren't profitable for both BM and McDs.

Which means they're both charging you way more than what you're getting is worth because they have to satisfy not one, but two businesses.

As always: Any time there are three parties in a business deal, one of them is getting fucked. And It's not BM or McDs.

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