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It feels to me as if you are focusing your attention solely on the national parties and coming to view authoritarian and centralization on very narrow terms (e.g., use of executive orders). Take a step back, look at the broader contexts of the parties at the state and local levels, and it becomes more clear that your labels are not particularly accurate. Take centralization. You see that the Republicans are pro-decen…

I don't disagree. I believe both parties have deeply rooted issues with corruption. On the levels that I am most knowledgeable about, the trend is roughly true. For example, Dems are the party of gun control while simultaneously militarizing police (a bipartisan effort). The moves to licensing and excessive taxation for what should be fundamental rights (e.g licenses to operate businesses, high taxes on your primary…

Direct democracy is worse - take a look at how California has been hurt by their referendum and recall processes. (Prop 13, first and foremost)

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Its very simple for the other side to push their agenda and cater to their crowd "See , we told you the other side was crazy" 911 truthers & marxists have always existed, however its only when the "mainstream" of the other side chose to hand the fringe a megaphone, that they came to the fore. This was not done for debate or charity. It was to score cheap political points in the age of clickbait. Extra Bonus: they got…

Interesting. That explains why all the crazies have the microphone lately. The mainstream of the other side is giving it to them, to use them as a freak show. And the reason it's blowing up now is because the media monopoly is over. Back when "the media" was ABC, CBS, NBC, AP, UPI, and then-centrist New York Times and Washington Post, nobody was giving the crazies the microphone, on either side. But when Fox and talk…

I believe what helped Trump win was all the (left leaning) news sites covering him saying, “look how stupid he is”, but then some saw it and sided with him. By giving him a platform, they helped put him in power.

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Speech and violence are different things. You don't have to be tolerant of bad ideas (and indeed you should not be) but you do have to protect the rights of all human beings to express them. Protecting the legal rights to publish, and personally/morally tolerating the publication of abhorrent things are two entirely different concepts. No one person or group should ever be permitted to declare themselves the arbiter…

> You don't have to be tolerant of bad ideas [...] but you do have to protect the rights of all human beings to express them Is there no limit to this? Knowing how horrible human beings can be to each other, is there really no point at which we draw the line and say, no further? Because there very much are numerous examples of where we do so according to the law. As uncomfortable as it may be, the conversation about…

> Is there no limit to this? Knowing how horrible human beings can be to each other, is there really no point at which we draw the line and say, no further?

Who said there is to be no limit? I explicitly clarified the limit: violence. Words are fine. Violence is not.

> As uncomfortable as it may be, the conversation about who should be silenced must continue.

Not if you want to continue having those conversations. Silencing people is a violation of their human rights, once those go out the window for a certain segment, it is simply a matter of time before that segment is bent and twisted to include you.

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> Some people disagree with that attempt to redefine words. A trans person's identity isn't up for debate. You are insinuating that trans people are not human, which is abhorrent. > This whole thread is about the right to have that disagreement in a civil fashion We already fought a war over this idea. Your side lost. Get over it.

>You are insinuating that trans people are not human, which is abhorrent. This is boneheaded and obnoxious. The question of whether a transperson's personal identity reflects reality has nothing to do with whether a transperson is human.

> This is boneheaded and obnoxious.

No it isn't. You are overtly arguing that trans people should be killed.

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puritans/white european invaders were quite racist and violent from the moment they landed on Plymouth rock and began stealing from / killing Natives I guess I can't keep up with the shifting terminology, are natives considered blacks now then? Isn't that supposed to be BIPOCS? Actually if we are talking about slaves, then native Americans had been enslaving each other for centuries before Whites or Latinx arrived.

This is why I supported the IRA. Every attack on England was an attack on evil. This pro-slavery attitude was huge from you people.

This pro-slavery attitude was huge from you people.

Black people enslaved other blacks in Africa, Latinx shipped them to America where the natives were also enslaving each other. White people put an end to all 3 of these activities, everywhere. This is historical fact.

PS I am Welsh.

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The big social media platforms tend to find themselves in hot water when something approaching "hate speech" trends on them. So they have a tendency to regulate that content away. The center and left in the US are normally not in favor of hate speech, while the right is more supportive of it. What happens then is people who want to discuss hateful topics and post hateful speech can't easily do it on the current popul…

> The big social media platforms tend to find themselves in hot water when something approaching "hate speech" trends on them. So they have a tendency to regulate that content away. > The center and left in the US are normally not in favor of hate speech, while the right is more supportive of it. The left is very supportive of hate speech, it just has to have the right target. There's abject, open racism against whit…

I think I mentioned that the extreme left side of things also had hateful adjacent messaging. But I personally haven't observed as much of it, and it also doesn't seem there is a big enough market on that side for a startup to capitalize on. Maybe I just never heard of them though?

I'm personally more centrist overall, but I've tried as much as I could to give an unbiased summary, though being unbiased in those cases is hard. I'm trying not to judge the behavior, just observe it.

One thing I have observed is that the current moderate left in the US does seem to align more with Canada/UK/France style of free speech, with a broader definition of what is considered hate speech and stronger enforcements against it. Where as the right seem more aligned with the traditional American view on it, where hate speech is limited only if it can be shown to have directly and immediately caused lawless action.

This seems to be the crux of the issue as well. With the big social media platforms available today, it has enabled hateful speech to have more reach at a wider scale than ever before. It also enabled not only Americans to reach others, but even non-Americans can promote and propagate hateful messaging in a targeted and strategic way. The question is what if anything should be done about this, could it lead to instability and divide and throw the country in turmoil, or maybe it's actually a good thing and will allow more voices to be heard and considered.

It's the age old trade off of free speech and restricted free speech. Where do you draw the line? What risks are there on either side of it?

And my observation has been the right leaning Americans seem to still consider that there should be no regulations on this, and everyone everywhere, even non Americans, should be allowed to freely share, promote, upvote, and target any message they want, even hateful, no matter the intent behind it, because upholding the right to speak up and against the government is more important and so we should stay as far as possible from threading water or any slippery slope.

And my observation is the left leaning Americans seem more cautious, and think some regulations might be needed, to make sure that no bad actor takes advantage of this, or that discourse doesn't rely purely on emotions and hate targeted reasonings. And that not doing so would actually bring more instability and chaos, and the risk of threading the line between restricted but still free speech and non free speech is worth it, or maybe an exagerated concern, where they don't think in practice it would be difficult to distinguish dissenting views from hateful ones or those with bad actors behind them.

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>Since they have a monopoly on power Who? The democrats or the republicans? >The second group wants to be treated like human beings. Who is that? The Citizens or the establishment? You have much deeper problems in your society, and it's not skin-color, that's just the game to distort you (yes and the police) from the real problems...trans vs woman, democrats vs republican, man vs woman, white vs black, vegans vs meat…

> Who? The democrats or the republicans? Segregationists, and their various flavors of racist allies of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. I don't really care which party they belong to. They had a monopoly on power, they built an unjust system, and I will firmly put all arising strife on their unwillingness to treat people of other races as human beings. > Who is that? The Citizens or the establishment? African Americans d…

>They had a monopoly on power, they built an unjust system, and I will firmly put all arising strife on their unwillingness to treat people of other races as human beings.

Had? Have, is the right word or did that changed i the last 2 month? But yeah absolutely, human are humans and everyone has the same right and has to be treated the same way.

>African Americans during the broad civil rights era. You are talking about the KGB, right?

I was talking about that one of the KGB strategies was to heat already existing conflicts up to the point where no consensus is possible, that just works in democratic systems where consent is the ~only way to achieve something.

>I assure you, when your society has no-n_____ water fountains

Look that's the problem, i NEVER said that skin color or religion (especially muslims...remember the hate after 2001, but also jews) is not a problem in your country, again for me there is no race just humans. But ATM it's white vs black etc, that's the opposite what Martin Luther King said like "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that", atm your countrymen create borders between community's which creates a downward spiral, and the profiteer is for sure not "we the people" but we the media and the party (the two same ones) which can profit out of it and in the meantime easily maintain the status quo (both the democrats and the republicans...they have the exact same goal, they just play different so you have the illusion of choice).

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> I do think it's useful to have the data there to show how much the platform is for hate and organizing around hate. I think for a proper useful evaluation, we equally need to see a similar full dump from other platforms like Facebook, Twitter etc. who are the standard when it comes to social media. I am personally not too convinced the content is that different, but rather some platforms just have more diverse poli…

Well no not at the outset, but we know fb, to follow this example, pays a small army of moderators. I suspect that has some kind of measurable effect.

I honestly think we do at the outset and especially before we evaluate.

The full history would also tell us if these ideas were more common when they're smaller network but when they grow they aren't etc.

The other thing we need to evaluate is if these platforms are just made of people banned from primary platforms and if that's the case, are these platforms really responsible for the surge of these types of people and perhaps what is a way to fix these societal issues as they continue to exist rather than disappear?

Gab and Parler have moderators too too, but the content they moderate is a lot more refined. I suspect proportionally, they're actually more to a per user ratio than FB or Twitter.

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I think you're wrong. Your maintaining your bubble by not going through your ex-girlfriends trash can everyday. The community and moderation on this site are actually pretty good, don't demean people who have different ideas about what makes a good dialogue as being in a bubble. If the whole community is in a bubble, downvoted people are even more in a bubble. They are the ones out of sync with the greater picture.

Of course, you are welcome to your opinion. But I hope the irony isn't lost on you: https://imgur.com/a/WuXdstC . Later on, things are still propagating: https://imgur.com/a/LzyzZKz My parent comment is hovering around 0-5 points. I wonder what it all means.

I still have more points then you now. I win.

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> By this logic, we shouldn't make or enforce laws because someday, someone can pass a law against harmless behavior. In a so-called liberal state we shouldn't send people behind bars for political reasons, not even fascists. Sending the people that protested at the Capitol behind bars is being done as a result of politics.

You are forgetting the word "purely." If some fascist incites people to riot and innocent police officers get killed (hypothetical example), then there are strong political reasons to put the perpetrators behind bars for their crimes. Law and order is a political issue. Protection of institutions is a political issue. The First Amendment doesn't say you can incite a riot as long as it is a political riot. That a crim…

Do you understand how high the bar is for a conviction in an incitement case?
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