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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by hntrader »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #81
Bostonian wrote: post #2

At Ars Technica, few of the commenters are concerned about the erosion of privacy and freedom of speech of Gab users.

First they came for the fascists, and I was happy. Then it ended, because slippery slope is a fallacy.

That's a misunderstanding of the slippery slope logical fallacy.

The slippery slope fallacy is when someone says that the causal chain A to B to C will necessarily play out.

It's not a fallacy if they're arguing instead for its plausibility.

The fallacy also doesn't assert that slippery slopes don't exist and never play out in reality.

So it's false to say that the slippery slope as a concept is itself a fallacy. That doesn't follow from the slippery slope logical fallacy as it's formally defined.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by woutr_be »

throw_away892 wrote: post #310
woutr_be wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If HN removed your comment it could be seen as an exhibit A. But you being downvoted has nothing to do with free speech, you’re still allowed to say what you wanted, but if people disagree, they have the right to downvote you.

Except I (throwawei) had to login to another account (this one) to reply you as the downvotes triggered some soft ban limit on the account from replying/commenting. So much for free speech... I would post photos holding today's newspaper to prove ownership of both accounts. Probably not worth the trouble anyway

You got banned because some automated system might’ve concluded you were a bot or spam account. You didn’t get banned because of the context of your speech. (At least not to my knowledge)

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

abernard1 wrote: post #275
_r0fz wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

> Correct. We hate nazis. If you believe there are 10s of millions of Nazis in America, you have issues.

That was not claimed anywhere. Your logical fallacy is: straw man.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by 4ggr0 »

nix23 wrote: post #307
_r0fz wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

Isn't it beautiful how the American and western society's rips itself apart? Man vs Women, Woman vs Trans, Gay vs Lesbians, White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color, Democrats vs Republicans and so on...zero consensus on each side what our society should be. It's like the KGB wins the cold war after all...with a small delay. Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https…

> White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color

Congratulations, you played yourself.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by argvargc »

_r0fz wrote: post #271
abernard1 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day. Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the…

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

On Gab daily. Never seen a single Nazi. Seen some unorthodox/thought-provoking views for sure, but that's part of why I visit and one of the same reasons I visit HN.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

nix23 wrote: post #307
_r0fz wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

Isn't it beautiful how the American and western society's rips itself apart? Man vs Women, Woman vs Trans, Gay vs Lesbians, White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color, Democrats vs Republicans and so on...zero consensus on each side what our society should be. It's like the KGB wins the cold war after all...with a small delay. Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https…

Zero conses (consensus?)? Yes there is, it's "don't be a dick", which I'm sure everyone can agree on.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

phroobster wrote: post #150
gizmo686 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

Alternative viewpoint: platforms without censorship tend to be right wing because that is what succeeds in a free marketplace of ideas. Left wing ideas require censorship to thrive.

Counterpoint: Parler and Gab have plenty of censorship, so those don't fit your 'platforms without censorship' description.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by [deleted] »

fulafel wrote: post #288
wp381640 wrote: post #224

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> "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". That's not right at all. They both ban adult content and Gab will ban blasphemy. They also frequently remove drug content. They're stricter on banning speech than Twitter and the sites they fled from.

Also there are laws against said content: https://cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/state-dept-offi... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by kypro »

uniqueid wrote: post #15
akyu wrote: post #9

Ratting people out to the government is hip now... crazy times.

Gab is a site that caters to hate groups. I guess the targets of their hatred take it personally. That seems rational to me.

I'm on Gab because Twitter was banning users like zerohedge and random joke accounts for seemingly no (or very little) reason.

I literally just post about finance on Gab and I've never personally seen anything hateful on there. I'm not saying it doesn't exist - I don't follow those kinds of users anyway - but I've seen plenty of hate on Twitter and I've never felt Gab was particularly hateful or radical.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

piokoch wrote: post #265
UncleMeat wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the people there are far right. When you go to a website and the first thing you see is calls to murder jewish people and the n-word repeated ad nauseam, all but the far right decide to just leave. The end result is that gab/parler/etc don't become places where all speech exists but instead places where extreme racism, homophobia, and sexism suck the oxygen away from everything else.

By curiosity I've looked on Gab and I don't see any content you mention. Yes, there is something about protests against banning guns, some celebrities teaming up to support Trump, etc., which is considered to be "far right" but I haven't seen anything you mention. I might have missed that obviously during my five minutes of browsing there, as a result, if they really call for murdering Jews, could you provide a link…

https://www.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/ is a community that tries to collect and highlight the fringes of communities like Parler, that's a good place to start.
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