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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Draken93 »

orf wrote: post #292
abernard1 wrote: post #267

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> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day. Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the…

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them, not on whether offensive or not-sanctioned speech should be allowed in general. Because it’s often one and the same: the “identity” of the people on them are the ones spreading hate speech and disinformation. You don’t need to sugar coat it as “not-sanctioned speech”, nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Do…

That is exactly the point. People that define their identity by feeling superior because of their race, religion or their sexuality are not the kind of people that are known for their differentiated, non problematic comments.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by colesantiago »

jl6 wrote: post #282
colesantiago wrote: post #259

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> For the record, I support mainstream trans rights. Then why the fuck are you bringing up this exclusionary t*rf shit? you sure have a really funny way of showing it.

Because I think that mainstream trans people are done a great disservice by trans extremists. Do you think trans people benefit from being associated with the kind of tweets on that website? Reasonable trans men and trans women are pushing back on extremist language and calls for violence that are perpetrated in their name. Only by discussing this can peaceful coexistence be achieved.

You're right when it comes to calls to violence, but I would prefer #DieT*rfs or #T*rfsMustDie instead.

At least then freedom of speech is preserved and are is no calls for violence.

> Only by discussing this can peaceful coexistence be achieved.

Would love to see evidence of this and until then, please go tell that to the exclusionary T*rfs FIRST and NOT trans people fighting against them. Be a trans ally.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jpgvm »

nix23 wrote: post #296
Draken93 wrote: post #284

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I dont care about their idendity. I do care about their offensive/hate speech though. Saying racist sh*, and wanting to restrict the rights of minoritys is waaaay different then protesting against an opressive regime. It is a shame, that the far right were and are able to use the ccp-protestors for their meanly targets.

>I do care about their offensive/hate speech though. The far right is a minority, and you are actually the one who try to restrict them with the label "offensive/hate"..is that correct?

There is a difference between choosing to be part of a minority/fringe hate group and being born a different race.

There is a good reason why "political" views aren't a protected class in most modern countries.

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Post by [deleted] »

abernard1 wrote: post #297
orf wrote: post #292

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> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them, not on whether offensive or not-sanctioned speech should be allowed in general. Because it’s often one and the same: the “identity” of the people on them are the ones spreading hate speech and disinformation. You don’t need to sugar coat it as “not-sanctioned speech”, nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Do…

> nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Donald trump!’ If that person says they don't believe the results of the election they are. If that person says that they don't believe the vaccines or lockdowns don't work, they are. Twitter, Facebook, and tech in general have lost this card to play. They've been banning people for things that have nothing to do with racism and everything to do with them being not…

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Post by orf »

abernard1 wrote: post #297
orf wrote: post #292

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> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them, not on whether offensive or not-sanctioned speech should be allowed in general. Because it’s often one and the same: the “identity” of the people on them are the ones spreading hate speech and disinformation. You don’t need to sugar coat it as “not-sanctioned speech”, nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Do…

> nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Donald trump!’ If that person says they don't believe the results of the election they are. If that person says that they don't believe the vaccines or lockdowns don't work, they are. Twitter, Facebook, and tech in general have lost this card to play. They've been banning people for things that have nothing to do with racism and everything to do with them being not…

> require overcoming cognitive dissonance that half the country isn't a bunch of racists

The Republican Party: not racist, just #1 with racists. I think that’s the problem.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by Draken93 »

nix23 wrote: post #296
Draken93 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont care about their idendity. I do care about their offensive/hate speech though. Saying racist sh*, and wanting to restrict the rights of minoritys is waaaay different then protesting against an opressive regime. It is a shame, that the far right were and are able to use the ccp-protestors for their meanly targets.

>I do care about their offensive/hate speech though. The far right is a minority, and you are actually the one who try to restrict them with the label "offensive/hate"..is that correct?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

You are right, exactly that is my point!

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by nix23 »

_r0fz wrote: post #271
abernard1 wrote: post #267

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> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day. Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the…

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them Correct. We hate nazis.

Isn't it beautiful how the American and western society's rips itself apart? Man vs Women, Woman vs Trans, Gay vs Lesbians, White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color, Democrats vs Republicans and so on...zero consensus on each side what our society should be.

It's like the KGB wins the cold war after all...with a small delay.

Yuri Bezmenov:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jpgvm »

jb775 wrote: post #208
mikepost001 wrote: post #17

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"you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other mode“ For a non-American, could you explain how this is far right? Sounds pretty liberal.

The real reason is that American tech company execs and most American tech workers are leftists, and leftists try to censor and ignore any political opinion they disagree with (rather than discuss, etc). Since free speech platforms don't censor any content, leftists naturally hate them...and they'll do anything in their power to slow them down. Rather than acknowledge this, they make themselves feel better by claimin…

There is a difference between allowing free speech and allowing hate speech.

Free speech: I don't think America should engage in an open immigration policy for reasons X, Y, Z that disadvantage us in A, B, C ways.

Hate speech: BUILD THE WALL TO KEEP OUT THE RAPISTS.

If you can't see the difference then that is why will get banned from platforms that allow free speech but ban hate speech.

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Post by pron »

abernard1 wrote: post #281
wokwokwok wrote: post #278

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What point are you making? Those are the “far right” (or “far left” depending on your views) in those contexts. The point remains: extreme views will gravitate to these platforms. That is “far right”. If you don’t prefer that title call it “extremist views”; it’s irrelevant what you label it; the point remains entirely valid.

The point is there's nothing inherently "far right" about the technology or the platform. Protection of offensive speech is a bedrock classical liberal view.

> Protection of offensive speech is a bedrock classical liberal view.

So is the protection of personal freedom, and yet no one claims we shouldn't put people in jail. Protection of speech is not an absolute principle of liberalism; just one principle that is weighed against others. Plus, in this case, most of the speech banned by Twitter is protected and can't land you in jail. It is also not at all a principle of liberalism that any publisher must publish any speech. Quite the opposite, the reputation of institutions like newspapers and universities are entirely predicated on their freedom to filter out and not disseminate certain things. The liberal view is that institutions should be able to build their reputation by choosing which speech they want to disseminate and amplify.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by throw_away892 »

woutr_be wrote: post #220
throwawei369 wrote: post #172

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Exhibit A. HN downvoting this comment to hell

If HN removed your comment it could be seen as an exhibit A. But you being downvoted has nothing to do with free speech, you’re still allowed to say what you wanted, but if people disagree, they have the right to downvote you.

Except I (throwawei) had to login to another account (this one) to reply you as the downvotes triggered some soft ban limit on the account from replying/commenting.

So much for free speech...

I would post photos holding today's newspaper to prove ownership of both accounts. Probably not worth the trouble anyway

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