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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by pineaux » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:26 AM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #234

dagmx wrote: post #229

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All the "conservative" policies you listed are currently being championed for by the left however.

Who is responsible for cancel culture? Tech censorship? "Believe All Women"? Who is calling for a new War on Terror targeting the domestic population?

Show me a case of "cancel culture" and I will show you a case where the "cancelled" person benefitted in popularity on the right wing side. The people that really do get cancelled, you don't hear from them. The examples you know of are all people who benefitted hugely from the "cancelling". Unless you count the #metoo people. But you probably believe all these men are innocent. I don't really get how due process and opposition to trial by media is usually not important with right wing people when someone is suspected of robbery, but when someone is suspected of sexual misconduct it is suddenly a problem. This feels like the protection of elites (because elites will never be part of a robbery, but can be hurt by a metoo-scandal). And I am seriously curious who is calling for a new war in terror. Tell me, who is doing this?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by orf » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:26 AM UTC

abernard1 wrote: post #267

gizmo686 wrote: post #132

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Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. Compounding this is PR and network effects. Once they become known as the place for the far right, then more far righters go there, and more distant people avoid it.

> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day. Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the…

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them, not on whether offensive or not-sanctioned speech should be allowed in general.

Because it’s often one and the same: the “identity” of the people on them are the ones spreading hate speech and disinformation. You don’t need to sugar coat it as “not-sanctioned speech”, nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Donald trump!’ They are banning people for saying “trans people will burn in hell” and “the Jewish cabal that run the world are eating babies and that’s why Biden stole the election and the democrats will be executed on TV by trump”.

Unfortunately this kind of speech comes from mostly one side of the political spectrum. Yes, I’m sure you can cherry pick random left-leaning Twitter users saying dumb things, but it’s not quite on the same level as you can find on ParlerWatch[1] for example.

Gabs founder: https://i.redd.it/u8mbqmrh41k61.png

1. https://old.reddit.com/r/ParlerWatch/top/?sort=top&t=month

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by neilsense » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

o_p wrote: post #285

throwawei369 wrote: post #149

This increase of extreme assault on free-speech platforms should be worrying to everyone. Not too long ago, we were hailing the "internet" as a free fair space. Now it is a free fair space ... for everyone but some kind of people. I'm for free speech but this specific kind of targeted attacks is getting out of hand.

The free speech of facsists shouldnt be protected, Im glad there are hackers doing the right thing

"fascist" is such an easy word to use without really knowing what it means, slowly degrading its power.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by motogpjimbo » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

wp381640 wrote: post #242

young_unixer wrote: post #177

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I agree with you, but Twitter is rife with leftists being almost as horrible as Gab's extremists and not getting banned because Twitter execs lean left. So let's not act like Gab users are the only ones being awful.

Complete nonsense false equivalence. Gab is _dominated_ by far-right racist content and conspiracy theories. My mum uses Twitter and doesn't see a single far-left opinion, 99% of the content on Twitter is that way. You're comparing an entire polluted pool that is unfit to swim in with a single floating turd in the ocean.

Really? It literally isn't possible to look at the "trending" panel in Twitter without seeing far-left talking points.

For example, today's trending topics include the "cancellation" of Dr Seuss (with many tweets giving examples of why he should be cancelled in the author's opinion) and the use of the words "latinx" and "womxn" to avoid offending people by using gendered language.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by colesantiago » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #270

colesantiago wrote: post #257

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> This whole thread is about the right to have that disagreement in a civil fashion. Well fuck their disagreement, there is no civility when you're excluding people. Also, this t*rf shit is not up for discussion and there should be no debate on trans women's existence as women.

“Period”, “fuck [them]”, “not up for discussion”, “no debate”... these are not terms used by successful thinkers. Rather, they are how echo chambers form.

I wince at this statement.

There is no need to be a "successful thinker" on something that should be common sense.

It's OK that you don't want to admit your transphobia and instead continue to drop a viewpoint which trans women and people have been fighting against, but at least be honest.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by nix23 » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:31 AM UTC

Draken93 wrote: post #284

abernard1 wrote: post #267

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> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day. Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the…

I dont care about their idendity. I do care about their offensive/hate speech though. Saying racist sh*, and wanting to restrict the rights of minoritys is waaaay different then protesting against an opressive regime. It is a shame, that the far right were and are able to use the ccp-protestors for their meanly targets.

>I do care about their offensive/hate speech though.

The far right is a minority, and you are actually the one who try to restrict them with the label "offensive/hate"..is that correct?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by abernard1 » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

orf wrote: post #292

abernard1 wrote: post #267

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> Adverse selection. If your differenciating feature is "you can say what you want without getting banned", your userbase is going to tend towards people who get banned on other platforms. In todays climate, that is mostly the far right. And in Hong Kong, it's anti-CCP protestors. In Iran, it is opponents of the theocracy. We can play this game all day. Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the…

> Tech's obsession with hating on Gab/Parler is based upon on the identity of the people in them, not on whether offensive or not-sanctioned speech should be allowed in general. Because it’s often one and the same: the “identity” of the people on them are the ones spreading hate speech and disinformation. You don’t need to sugar coat it as “not-sanctioned speech”, nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Do…

> nobody is banning anyone for saying “hey I support Donald trump!’

If that person says they don't believe the results of the election they are. If that person says that they don't believe the vaccines or lockdowns don't work, they are.

Twitter, Facebook, and tech in general have lost this card to play. They've been banning people for things that have nothing to do with racism and everything to do with them being not-Democrat.

In a world where 95+% of tech companies are Democrats in the U.S., it's easy to believe all the head-nodding and congratulations that your views are the only morally correct ones. It's also easy to deliberately avoid any sense of nuance or context because that would require overcoming cognitive dissonance that half the country isn't a bunch of racists.

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Post by throw374u9 » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #173

throw374u9 wrote: post #140

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#killallmen and similar hashtags. Verified users advocating genocide!

And now 'they' are saying #womxn is transphobic on Twitter. So now everyone using that in the past and present is a transphobe apparently. The potential triggernometry in this complex inclusivity equation boggles my mind. EDIT: Downvoters: So this tweet is not accurate, No? [0] From the reply thread, it shows how 'they' and Twitch are now re-hijacking the artificial term 'womxn' to lose its so-called meaning such tha…

You are overthinking it too much.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by totalZero » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

paganel wrote: post #217

smt88 wrote: post #196

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By this logic, we shouldn't make or enforce laws because someday, someone can pass a law against harmless behavior. Regulation, moderation, and law enforcement are always a balancing act. We can't just say that balance is an impossible dream, so let's just give up.

> By this logic, we shouldn't make or enforce laws because someday, someone can pass a law against harmless behavior. In a so-called liberal state we shouldn't send people behind bars for political reasons, not even fascists. Sending the people that protested at the Capitol behind bars is being done as a result of politics.

You are forgetting the word "purely." If some fascist incites people to riot and innocent police officers get killed (hypothetical example), then there are strong political reasons to put the perpetrators behind bars for their crimes. Law and order is a political issue. Protection of institutions is a political issue.

The First Amendment doesn't say you can incite a riot as long as it is a political riot. That a crime is politically motivated (or politically impactful) does not somehow absolve the perpetrator.

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Post by sgtnoodle » Tue, Mar 02, 2021, 9:32 AM UTC

pii wrote: post #63

sgtnoodle wrote: post #48

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It seems like there's plenty of "willful misunderstanding" from folk on both sides of the political spectrum. It seems like two sides of the same coin to me, and it doesn't really matter too much because ultimately the carnival game is rigged to eat the coin regardless. Whether you're a neo-nazi or a marxist-commie, we're all slightly awkward but reasonable nerds here right? I think most sane people can agree that da…

Genuinely, I want to find common ground with people who don't say anyone who isn't a neo-nazi is ALL THE WAY LEFT AND A DANGEROUS PERSON

You aren't coming across as genuine, though. Textual communication loses a lot of subtlety, but you figuratively started screaming mid-sentence. Is it fair to assume that people in the past have treated you like a dangerous person? Were you screaming at them? Were you trying to shame them into condemning something, thus forcing them to either submit themselves to you, or seemingly be implicated as the terrible thing you're calling them to condemn?

If you really intended to be genuine in your desire to find common ground with folk of differing political views from your own, I once again invite you to share your personal beliefs on the topic of societal damage caused by data breaches, or your thoughts on the recent GME stock market manipulation.