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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by zepto »

judge2020 wrote: post #446
zepto wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that vbucks are just made up and have no marginal cost, Epic can say whatever they like about how much less they can charge for them. It doesn’t mean anything at all.

I'm saying that Apple was going to get shafted on payments and making money from Epic anyways if they left it up because Epic was charging $2 less when paying directly via a card and bypassing in-app purchases. https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/news/the-fortnite-m...

Apple would have been shafted if they left it up because then all enforcement of their rules would be up for grabs.

Anyone who wanted to flout any rule could claim Apple was playing favorites with Epic.

It has nothing to do with being screwed out of $2 per purchase of in-game currency.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by submeta »

Facebook is evil. It harms societies for various reasons, for instance by enabling spread of misinformation, and it hurts individuals alike.

Every measure that weakens platforms like FB is to be welcomed.

Apple is big enough to confront FB and harm them. That alone makes Apple even more valuable in my eyes and makes me keep buying their products although I dislike their walled-garden-approach and their philosophy that is against open systems.

Edit:

A couple of years ago my impression was that FB is so big that it‘s futile to fight them. Recently more and more people seem to realize how harmful these kind of platforms are, and it seems there is hope in confronting them.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by amelius »

gt565k wrote: post #512

Lmao, just like all the businesses that build their platform on top of Facebook APIs only to have those APIs closed down, now Facebook will realize what it's like to build your business based on hardware device tracking, only to have manufacturer's like Apple restrict that down. Buh bye facebook. May you rot in hell.

Meanwhile, everybody else is building their business on Apple too.

I hate FB like the next guy, but I don't like the idea of Apple playing government.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by cm2012 »

tmccrary55 wrote: post #296
tmccrary55 wrote: post #45

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana...

It's funny how a link to Facebook's recent data selling scandal, in a discussion about whether Facebook sells data, gets voted down.

"Recent" "2013"

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by artificial »

sebasvisser wrote: post #491
brokencode wrote: post #480

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I think they would. Facebook products are a huge part of any app ecosystem, and without them, Apple customers would be pissed. Ecosystem concerns aren’t as relevant today, since both Android and iOS have everything you’d want, but in the olden days of Blackberry, Microsoft, and many other mobile operating system vendors trying to compete, they were always seriously hampered by their lack of ecosystem.

You’d be surprised how many fb users (mostly less technical) just use a browser to access fb.. They don’t need an app in the App Store to do so.. So this might actually be a fight against the strange people working at Facebook that will get them to rethink what it is they do everyday..

I think this is a good case for what Apps bring to the table and highlighting what the cost is privacy wise. As a developer I think apps are cool, the way they're leaking data is awful. This is something the platforms need to step up control over and I think that because this isn't the case there's an incentive to keep things as they are. Like automotive and the iterative improvements.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by lotsofpulp »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #478
lotsofpulp wrote: post #378

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You should provide some data to support a bold claim like Facebook and Google is sharing their revenue with Apple.

There's one big pie, and these companies slice the majority of it up between them. When one or another of them does things that changes who gets what sized slice, the others get upset.

What does it mean to say “there’s one big pie”?

There’s one big pie of US GDP. That doesn’t mean anytime someone gains or loses revenue that they are sharing it with someone else. Or at least there is no utility to be gained from that statement.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Clubber »

SMAAART wrote: post #503
Veen wrote: post #282

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Perhaps we should advocate consistency. Either shaming and punishment works to discourage unwanted behaviour or it doesn't. If it does, then perhaps we should start shaming obese people and crack addicts. P.S. Before the downvotes come, I'm rather fat and a mostly ex-smoker, so I'm not attacking obese people, just wondering at the inconsistency.

We can all agree that "shaming" is not good; but at the same time we should not promote/encourage behaviors that leads to negative outcomes. So, generic "smoke is bad for you", "overeating is bad for you", "junk food is bad for you"; and positive reinforcements like "say no to smoke", "say no to junk food" would be a good start. And if some groups comes out and state that those messages are "shaming" well, those peop…

>and positive reinforcements like "say no to smoke", "say no to junk food" would be a good start.

I mean why do people feel it's their duty to get into someone else's life? How about assume fat people and people who smoke know it's bad for them and just leave them alone. I think people in society would be much better off of they worried themselves with their own lives. I guess that's a lot harder than pointing out other people's problems though.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

gt565k wrote: post #512

Lmao, just like all the businesses that build their platform on top of Facebook APIs only to have those APIs closed down, now Facebook will realize what it's like to build your business based on hardware device tracking, only to have manufacturer's like Apple restrict that down. Buh bye facebook. May you rot in hell.

IIRC, a while ago an internal memo from Zuckerberg leaked in which he detailed that this is why he's investing in Oculus. Zuck sees VR as the next frontier of technology, and he wants to own the platform instead of merely being an app on it.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by r00fus »

sebasvisser wrote: post #491
brokencode wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they would. Facebook products are a huge part of any app ecosystem, and without them, Apple customers would be pissed. Ecosystem concerns aren’t as relevant today, since both Android and iOS have everything you’d want, but in the olden days of Blackberry, Microsoft, and many other mobile operating system vendors trying to compete, they were always seriously hampered by their lack of ecosystem.

You’d be surprised how many fb users (mostly less technical) just use a browser to access fb.. They don’t need an app in the App Store to do so.. So this might actually be a fight against the strange people working at Facebook that will get them to rethink what it is they do everyday..

I tell my mom she needs to use FF containers for FB. I set it up so she can't do anything else. She's happy & gets to see her extended family pics/updates.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by Schiendelman »

amelius wrote: post #523
gt565k wrote: post #512

Lmao, just like all the businesses that build their platform on top of Facebook APIs only to have those APIs closed down, now Facebook will realize what it's like to build your business based on hardware device tracking, only to have manufacturer's like Apple restrict that down. Buh bye facebook. May you rot in hell.

Meanwhile, everybody else is building their business on Apple too. I hate FB like the next guy, but I don't like the idea of Apple playing government.

I want government to do for me exactly what Apple just did.
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