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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Thank you Apple for being one of the few protecting privacy

Apple would be a hero for threatening _its own_ significant revenue streams with a pro-privacy decision, not someone else's.

... what?

A doctor giving someone a new lease on life with an arm transplant isn't a hero unless they're threatening _their own_ arm by volunteering it.

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In what world do things work like that?

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

#43
> Facebook says Apple is attempting to push free apps, which often sweep data up and feed it to advertisers, to move to subscription models.

And I think most users will see no problem with this.

If I value the service enough, I'll pay for it. That Apple gets 30% is another discussion and as a user, not my problem.

If I don't value the service that much, I now get to be informed and can decide whether I value using it more than my privacy. Facebook's all out propaganda campaign shows which choice they think most users will make in this instance.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

#44
I don't have Facebook and I'm generally skeptical of Apple's pro-privacy messaging. However, seeing this response from Facebook has gotten me very excited for this update. There must be more to it then Apple's generic 'Most Advanced Update Ever' marketing. I'm still skeptical of Apple's commitment to privacy, but I'm certainly happy to get this update. Apple should thank Facebook for the free marketing.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a nice bit of semantic ju-jitsu to say "they take this data and sell a service that wouldn't be possible without it" isn't the same as "selling this data," isn't it? Especially given that the targeting mechanisms don't have any k-anonymity guarantees, and I'm aware of at least one paper showing information leaks through the ad portal [1] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_events/122...

Seems to me like you're more playing "semantic ju-jitsu" than OP. Facebook collect data to sell targetted adspace, they do not sell data. This is a plain fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's not just them. Anyone who still has the wrong assumption that targeted advertising even works is in for a massive revelation.

Some level of targeting is necessary, for example it clearly makes no sense for a typical restaurant to advertise globally.

The interesting question is much tracking adds on top of simpler targeting based on location and context.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

Between this privacy fight and the form factor of the iPhone Mini, there's a 90% chance my next phone will be an iPhone after more than a decade on Android. I'm done with this ad-sponsored trash ecosystem.

Not that I blame you if you want a premium experience out of the box, but I've gone to Graphene and am quite happy.

https://grapheneos.org/faq

Even my SSO works well enough. Some notifications rely on Google Play Services though, but I find I don't really miss those apps anyway.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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They can just never update their app again, like Google. Let's be real, their ADHD like update schedule isn't exactly improving anything regardless.

I believe this impacts all apps using Facebook's SDK.

There are apps left using this after Facebook hard broke them REMOTELY twice?

I think they got it coming.

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