I'm contemplating buying an iphone after 10 years just because of this.
Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
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For some reason I have a bad feeling about this update actually getting released. I'm worried that FB is going to convince some judge to tell Apple they can't do this, and delay it for months or years. Maybe (hopefully) this is an irrational worry, but you never know the extent to which people will go when billions of dollars are on the line.
Unless FB is preparing an incredibly ironic antitrust/market competition case against Apple, I'm not sure what they'd have standing on.
They are almost certainly doing this; question is whether they will file it.
FB's noise around this feels very out of character, even for something that's devolved into a personal conflict. They may be truly scared of the update.
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Ex-smoker here. So, what do you advocate? Reward smokers? Encourage smoking?
Perhaps we should advocate consistency. Either shaming and punishment works to discourage unwanted behaviour or it doesn't. If it does, then perhaps we should start shaming obese people and crack addicts. P.S. Before the downvotes come, I'm rather fat and a mostly ex-smoker, so I'm not attacking obese people, just wondering at the inconsistency.
We can all agree that "shaming" is not good; but at the same time we should not promote/encourage behaviors that leads to negative outcomes.
So, generic "smoke is bad for you", "overeating is bad for you", "junk food is bad for you"; and positive reinforcements like "say no to smoke", "say no to junk food" would be a good start.
And if some groups comes out and state that those messages are "shaming" well, those people are idiots.
P.S.: ex-smoker and ex-fat person here
Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
#504Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some reason I have a bad feeling about this update actually getting released. I'm worried that FB is going to convince some judge to tell Apple they can't do this, and delay it for months or years. Maybe (hopefully) this is an irrational worry, but you never know the extent to which people will go when billions of dollars are on the line.
What would be Facebook's legal argument in the US?
That Apple is unfairly privileging its own ads business. It's a tough cookie though; the offending behavior is simply Apple's truthful (if arguably hyperbolic) notice and consent popup.
Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
#505Allowing AD tracking in the first place is on Apple. They opened the door for bad actors like Facebook. I won't praise them for fixing this hole; I'm upset they put it in and even more upset it's taken this long to consider removing it.
Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
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I thought that until I realised Apple also have a billion dollar ads business
The problem is Apple relies on hardware sales. FB's entire business from the top down is ad money. And source for a billion dollar ad business? That sounds way higher than my initial impression. (And google paying to be the default SE is not advertising imo)
Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
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I think they would. Facebook products are a huge part of any app ecosystem, and without them, Apple customers would be pissed. Ecosystem concerns aren’t as relevant today, since both Android and iOS have everything you’d want, but in the olden days of Blackberry, Microsoft, and many other mobile operating system vendors trying to compete, they were always seriously hampered by their lack of ecosystem.
I’d be delighted as it would give me an excuse to not use WhatsApp
The looks people give you when you say you don’t have WhatsApp are gold. In France in particular.
Utterly baffled.
Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
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You are right, and not only that: personalized ads are better for users and for small businesses. I’m ready for the downvotes, but this is very much true.
Can you elaborate on how targeted ads are better for users? Do those benefits outweigh the documented harms and abuses, the risk of further harms and abuses?
Can you elaborate on what the documented harms and abuses are, and what the further risks are?
People prefer seeing ads that are relevant to them compared to random ads. This is not controversial, it's very much established.
Of course, the benefits to the businesses, especially those businesses without existing brand recognition, are quite obvious.
Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
#509It probably has a much wider impact on FB than what is currently known. If anyone uses FB ads, in almost every field of the campaign there is now a new warning icon that says this feature may not work for users on the latest iOS version.
Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules
#510I don't have Facebook and I'm generally skeptical of Apple's pro-privacy messaging. However, seeing this response from Facebook has gotten me very excited for this update. There must be more to it then Apple's generic 'Most Advanced Update Ever' marketing. I'm still skeptical of Apple's commitment to privacy, but I'm certainly happy to get this update. Apple should thank Facebook for the free marketing.
I'm skeptical as well considering Apple selectively leaves gaping holes depending on levels of public knowledge (e.g. talk a big game on encryption, but don't encrypt iCloud backups while using dark patterns nudging users towards using iCloud backups).
This is definitely good for privacy in the short term, but long term will depend on if Apple decides to monetize this data themselves.