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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by jonfw »

multiplegeorges wrote: post #271
jonfw wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is my income tax a price the government charges for providing roads, schools, and protection? Just because there are services rendered doesn't mean it's not a tax. There is no opt out, and price is a function of earnings rather than value added.

There is an opt out. You might not like the opt out, but it remains a choice. You don't have to use Apple's platform or services. Taxes imposed by a government are compulsory. Words still have meaning and using tax to refer to Apple's fees is completely incorrect.

I can not do business in the US, or I can not do business with iPhone users. My only 'opt out' is to quit doing business in their market. I continue to see similarities here

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by gen220 »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #11

Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

One of my coworkers shared an interesting thought with me the other day.

Apple is positioning itself as The Privacy Company today, but they've benefited immensely from the attention economy over the last 15 years.

They would not have sold as many millions of iPhones, iPods (heck, even Macbooks) in the last decade, if Instagram & Facebook weren't there to suck people in to their platform (clearly, the same is true for Android). Now that the iDevices are a self-sustaining status symbol with mass adoption and institutionally-ingrained utility outside of social media, Apple no longer needs to trade user privacy to build their moat, and they can pretend that they've been on the user's side all along.

Don't get me wrong, Apple's motions here are very good. But the entire mobile computing industry was bootstrapped with addiction. Facebook and its ilk might have been the perpetrators, but they were not the only beneficiaries.

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Post by jjgreen »

Clubber wrote: post #327
SMAAART wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ex-smoker here. So, what do you advocate? Reward smokers? Encourage smoking?

Maybe as a society we should quit our Spanish Inquisition style moral crusades.

I wasn't expecting that ...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by nicky0 »

texasbigdata wrote: post #220
Nextgrid wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

“Customer” is the small business that actually pays them revenue. So not true.

That's a wrong view. Customer in app market is the buyer of the app. Both Apple and devs are suppliers who each take a split. (Devs supply app itself, Apple supplies infrastructure and supporting services.)

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by reaperducer »

jahlove wrote: post #4

> Some apps, like Facebook, allow for some data tracking to be manually disabled. But by default, it is turned on. That gives the company reams of personal data on who we are and what we are doing, which it then vacuums up, packages and sells. My understanding is that Facebook does not sell this data, but rather lets advertisers create hyper-targeted ads, which are only possible because of this data. Edit: Certainly…

My understanding is that Facebook does not sell this data

Selling the actual data and selling access to use the data is a meaningless distinction.

Money changes hands. The data is used.

Perhaps we should say "renting" the data. Just the way a hotel rents you a room, but you use it on the hotel's premises.

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Post by indigochill »

Spooky23 wrote: post #193
Waterluvian wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure "Cigarettes will kill you" was ever meant to stop smokers from smoking. It was part of a generations long campaign to change the entire perception and culture behind smoking. And it seems to be working very well. I think there are parallels here. I see a focus on getting _current_ users to stop tolerating naked privacy. I think that ship has sailed. But in time the entire culture can shift where future g…

Totally, but look at how smart (and evil) the tobacco companies were. They pivoted between strategies in smart ways. Once reality started setting in and denial didn't cut it, they acted to protect the shareholders. Phillip Morris bought things like Kraft that they could spin-out later. They settled claims and paid states billions of dollars for healthcare costs a few years before healthcare started going up 30% a yea…

Well, I'm by no means defending Facebook's business, but they did open-source a couple little projects called React, GraphQL, and PyTorch (and a bunch of other lesser-known stuff), so technically it's not _all_ bad. :P

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Post by Bilal_io »

Swizec wrote: post #333
sakis wrote: post #330

I wonder what would happen if FB and Google went a step further and decided to give Apple the Windows Phone (or Huawei) treatment, by pulling all their apps from the App Store, citing these changes as the reason they can't support Apple's platform. I'm not sure the majority of iOS devices users would be happy with any of the involved parties, and that includes Apple.

They all work great in the browser. You don’t need their apps.

You forgot the /s

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Post by tcoff91 »

czbond wrote: post #125
fogihujy wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Normally, I'd ignore any marketing touting new privacy features in iOS, but Facebook's response has convinced me this isn't just an empty gesture from Apple.

I wholly internalized that there was a real problem when I started taking my phone to other parts of the house, placing it in a drawer before returning and shutting the door to have an in person conversation with someone.

Apps cannot use the microphone on iOS 14 without your awareness. There is a little dot that will show up at the top of the screen if an app has recently used microphone or camera. Hopefully this can assuage your paranoia.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

sakis wrote: post #330

I wonder what would happen if FB and Google went a step further and decided to give Apple the Windows Phone (or Huawei) treatment, by pulling all their apps from the App Store, citing these changes as the reason they can't support Apple's platform. I'm not sure the majority of iOS devices users would be happy with any of the involved parties, and that includes Apple.

I wonder what would happen if all partied just came clean.

This isn't about privacy or user data, it's a disagreement over how revenue is shared.

So rather than this sort of wording from the article: centers on the iPhone data of millions of people and whether companies should be able to track

We be read something like this: Facebook and Google go to war with Apple over revenue sharing agreement.

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Post by jackjeff »

ddtaylor wrote: post #275
thenewwazoo wrote: post #244

Fuckin' let 'em. I'll pick Apple over Facebook eight days a week, and if Facebook takes their ball and goes home, well, even better since it'll finally get me to completely pull the plug on their platform.

What's stopping you from quitting Facebook right now and how does this change that?

The problem with Facebook tracking is that even if (like me) you don’t use Facebook / don’t have it installed random apps on the App Store will push your data to King Zuck.

This is what the data sharing is about. If you’re a regular user a Facebook that ad from the Charleston SC burger joint will still reach you. They don’t share that data with anyone else.

It’s the random game or app you install that will no longer push their data to Facebook.

Edit. Fixed typo.

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