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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by sudosteph »

Alupis wrote: post #443
nrp wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

Any chance of one that doesn't look like a Macbook clone? I, personally, am tired of the brushed aluminum with black bezels and keyboard look. The materials can remain the same, but some colored options would be wonderful - like the HP Spectre x360's with blue and black options, etc. Everything else looks wonderful, particularly the mobo upgrades for newer CPU/GPU combinations... and even better - getting to choose t…

+1 to this, except I would like a plastic alternative to the aluminum in the case as well.

While it's commendable that framework is picking those materials to environmentally conscious - I have had such terrible past experiences with "aluminum" body laptops triggering eczema outbreaks[1] - that I avoid metal cases as a rule now.

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/291384767_Allergy_r... TLDR: many metallic cases have nickel or cobalt present, and it releases when you sweat. Sometimes this triggers contact dermatitis (eczema) if you're sensitized to it.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by gwbas1c »

deadmutex wrote: post #436
gwbas1c wrote: post #401

I'm a Mac user, mostly because I like the simplicity of the hardware. If/when I return to Windows, a Framework laptop is definitely appealing. I'd rather change the ports than deal with a handful of dongles and adaptors. One thing to consider: I really want to try a laptop that comes with a good, well-supported Linux installation. (I haven't tried desktop Linux since the early 2000s.) I'm less concerned about "distro…

> I'm a Mac user, mostly because I like the simplicity of the hardware. Do you mean software? Or are you referring to the iMac? because on the laptop side, the MacBooks seem very similar in terms of simplicity. Build quality is a different story, etc.

> the MacBooks seem very similar in terms of simplicity

To the Framework? Oh heck yes!

I switched to Mac when the rumors were that Windows Vista was going to be a flop. Today, I like MacOS better than Windows 10, but Windows 10 is very nice.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by throwaway894345 »

boogies wrote: post #579
throwaway894345 wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You... you do realize that you can’t order a PC laptop with a Mac trackpad, right? No one is like, “I could have the Mac trackpad for the same cost, but I prefer the stuttery trackpad that moves the cursor and selects shit when my palm gets too close”.

> You... you do realize that you can’t order a PC laptop with a Mac trackpad, right? You can as long as you can order x86 Macs with Bootcamp. > No one is like, “I could have the Mac trackpad for the same cost, but I prefer the stuttery trackpad that moves the cursor and selects bleep when my palm gets too close”. No, but there are plenty of people who think “I prefer no trackpad to accidentally swipe [—even if palm r…

It seems like you've moved the goalposts from your original claim/implication that non-Mac trackpads are more popular to "not everyone likes trackpads". As far as I know, no one has argued that everyone likes trackpads?

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by gwbas1c »

smoldesu wrote: post #461
gwbas1c wrote: post #401

I'm a Mac user, mostly because I like the simplicity of the hardware. If/when I return to Windows, a Framework laptop is definitely appealing. I'd rather change the ports than deal with a handful of dongles and adaptors. One thing to consider: I really want to try a laptop that comes with a good, well-supported Linux installation. (I haven't tried desktop Linux since the early 2000s.) I'm less concerned about "distro…

Side note, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised with how far Linux has come. I recently returned to it for the first time in a decade, and it's pretty remarkable how mature the operating system is. Almost all of my "essential" apps have native versions (eg. Matrix, Spotify, Discord, Steam) and the ones that don't can be pretty easily emulated through Wine. It only took 2 weeks of playing around with KDE on my Macboo…

Which distro?

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by dvdkon »

tait wrote: post #569
dvdkon wrote: post #528

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use my notebook's SD card reader all the time. Cameras, ARM SBCs, 3D printers, random SD cards I find laying around... There's plenty of use cases for an SD card reader, I certainly use video out on my notebook much less.

> random SD cards I find laying around Can we explore that a bit? Laying around your house? Or like on the ground at work? I seem to remember some corporate espionage that relied on people looking at random SD cards they found on the ground...

Mostly my and my friends' homes, but I do remember finding an SD card on the ground once... Do you think I'm being targeted by spies? :) It had someone's pictures on it, but no identifying information, so I had no way of returning it.

Thankfully random SD cards should be much safer than random USB devices, but it's probably better to be careful.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by albertzeyer »

I would love a 15" (or larger) version of such a laptop. I hope this comes soon.

Also some other options for CPU and GPU would be nice. (AMD CPU. Maybe Nvidia GPU for CUDA. Or maybe even some ARM CPU?)

How long does the battery last in this?

Will this be available in Europe? (Or rather when?)

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by codemac »

dfgdghdf wrote: post #268

Reading down the proposed spec sheet, I'm starting to see how crappy the competition is! * Apple MacBook - Nothing configurable. Expensive and not build to be repaired. * Microsoft Surface - Much the same, but with Windows * Lenovo Thinkpad - A little more configurable than a MacBook, and much better value, but still difficult to repair. Missing premium features like an Aluminium case. * Dell XPS 13 - Much like the L…

> Missing premium features like an Aluminium case.

Magnesium is a different type of premium for some.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by zafiro17 »

Hey wow, I love this idea, this design philosophy, and this commitment to reuse. It occurs to me it may also solve another complaint I've always had with laptops, that you have to find the machine whose screen, trackpad, keyboard, weight, etc. ALL match your wishlist (with a desktop you buy the display you want, the external keyboard you want, the external mouse/trackball you want). This device lends itself to customization, almost like an ecosystem: hopefully some day they will offer a Dvorak, Workman, and Colemak keyboard variant, or similar customizations. Better yet, open it up to niche customized hardware manufacturers and make it a market. Suddenly it becomes the substrate for an ecosystem of customized components. I love this idea. (For reference, my current approach to hardware reuse is to sytematically only buy used laptops. I save a ton of money too).

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by notretarded »

codemac wrote: post #587
dfgdghdf wrote: post #268

Reading down the proposed spec sheet, I'm starting to see how crappy the competition is! * Apple MacBook - Nothing configurable. Expensive and not build to be repaired. * Microsoft Surface - Much the same, but with Windows * Lenovo Thinkpad - A little more configurable than a MacBook, and much better value, but still difficult to repair. Missing premium features like an Aluminium case. * Dell XPS 13 - Much like the L…

> Missing premium features like an Aluminium case. Magnesium is a different type of premium for some.

Just don't get it wet!
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