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Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by mikeleeorg »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #54

>This isn’t actually the first time Apple has offered an OS upgrade at a steep discount compared to its Windows rival (which typically runs over $100) — Snow Leopard made its debut at $29. A pretty flawed apples to oranges comparison. OS X is more similar to bios updates... you buy the hardware, the vendor makes money off it and gives away the software. With Microsoft, you're paying the OEM money for the hardware(wit…

I have 10.5 and held off on purchasing 10.6 because I was waiting for 10.7. It bums me out that now I'll need to purchase both 10.6 and 10.7, regardless of how much the Windows upgrades cost. Judging from some of the tweets & comments I'm seeing elsewhere, a lot of other consumers are bummed too.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by astrange »

Newky wrote: post #109

I don't mean to be off topic, but I really feel, although this is an improvement on the price of Windows upgrade, I think that there is nothing in this release that would drive me off any Linux, particularly a rolling release distribution. I know that for certain fields, such as multimedia, apple offers a lot, but with new offerings such as Gnome 3, a mature KDE 4, and Ubuntu's unity, for the standard desktop user or…

Would you say this is the year of Linux on the desktop?

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by randallsquared »

AllenKids wrote: post #119
randallsquared wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cherrypick, much? :) It seems that all your examples are cases where interoperability with or working like the Windows version is the primary required feature. For years after iTunes, there was no reasonable (GUI) alternative for MP3 playing, at the same time that iTunes was awful if you had a large, diverse collection without ID3 tags.

If you have a large diverse collection without ID3 tags you are pretty much fucked anyway. folders is extremely limited in sorting music which leaves you what? playlists?

Well, I used folders and filenames for years, from 1998ish through June 2003. Worked fine; I mostly wanted to listen to entire albums, which mapped well to folders.

Then I got a Mac, and pointed iTunes at my music without backing it up first (because, after all iTunes was an MP3 player, and why would it write to my MP3 collection?!). Oops. Later I found that there was some import option I shouldn't have checked, and iTunes happily moved all my MP3s from their well-sorted folder structure into "Unknown Artist - Unknown Album - Unknown Title". Yay.

Even when I eventually got some software that would use a music database to figure out what tracks were, there were a distressing number of tracks that it couldn't identify (hundreds), and of the ones it could, it mostly did so in a very literal way, such that I have a lot of folders like "Movie Soundtrack - Artist Name" with a single track inside.

Could I fix all this? Of course. Eventually. Can you tell I'm still, eight years later, extremely angry at iTunes?

Now I just listen to Pandora. Screw it.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by scott_s »

guywithabike wrote: post #121
masklinn wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> http://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/ That's not a case of Apple stealing good design though, that's a case of them buying an Audion competitor. I'm sure Marco would have been far happier if Apple had bought instapaper. Or TapTapTap if Apple had bought Camera+. Hell, that would have been rather cool, it could have given third-party developers an interesting incentive: build something Apple will want to integrate…

Marco has talked about this extensively in his "Build and Analyze" podcast. He sees Safari's new reading list as a potential net benefit for Instapaper. "Gateway drug", as he calls it. I agree with him.

"Oh, really? That's interesting, because honestly? I don't think you guys have a chance." - Steve Jobs, from the above Audion story. The parallels are striking.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by ecuzzillo »

mikeleeorg wrote: post #131
recoiledsnake wrote: post #54

>This isn’t actually the first time Apple has offered an OS upgrade at a steep discount compared to its Windows rival (which typically runs over $100) — Snow Leopard made its debut at $29. A pretty flawed apples to oranges comparison. OS X is more similar to bios updates... you buy the hardware, the vendor makes money off it and gives away the software. With Microsoft, you're paying the OEM money for the hardware(wit…

I have 10.5 and held off on purchasing 10.6 because I was waiting for 10.7. It bums me out that now I'll need to purchase both 10.6 and 10.7, regardless of how much the Windows upgrades cost. Judging from some of the tweets & comments I'm seeing elsewhere, a lot of other consumers are bummed too.

10.6 is fairly easily piratable, though.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by joelhooks »

matthew-wegner wrote: post #63
thomasgerbe wrote: post #55

Great news. Now if only they just did away with the optical drives on MBP's. I have used mine about... twice in three years since owning my current laptop.

You can put another HD (or SSD) in your optical bay: http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/ Cheap eBay brackets are ~$20 and accomplish the same thing. There are a couple of caveats--here's everything you need to know: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2493938

I used the OWC disk-doubler to replace the optical drive in my MBP and love it. The only "gotcha" that I ran into was trying to install from the wrong OS X disk. Apparently MPB needs the version it came with or newer to function.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by joelhooks »

thomasgerbe wrote: post #83
matthew-wegner wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can put another HD (or SSD) in your optical bay: http://www.mcetech.com/optibay/ Cheap eBay brackets are ~$20 and accomplish the same thing. There are a couple of caveats--here's everything you need to know: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2493938

How is the battery life?

I saw some improvement. No hard data though.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by varikin »

msbarnett wrote: post #78
varikin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is an ugly step when you have to go through 3 or 4 updates in row that require reboots.

Have you actually updated an OS X install before, or are you just basing it on the crazy Windows update experience? Apple distributes combo updates that will take you straight from a base 10.6 install to 10.6.7. You don't play the goofy multiple-version update game.

The occasional security release breaks that. I have had to install updates, and then it found more after a reboot. Though I haven't done that on a base 10.6 to current.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by FrojoS »

recoiledsnake wrote: post #46

Not sure why below comment is dead. The account seems ok and not hell banned. Was it flagged to death? If so, anyone who flagged it,why? dsplittgerber 24 minutes ago | link [dead] Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? Instapaper built-into Safari now, all kinds of messanger apps killed by iMessage, some of those photo apps going down the drain as well, Reminde…

Agreed. I bought QuickCal in the Appstore that lets me add iCal entries without a mouse. Seems like Apple has build there own "QuickCal" now, though they say "just click on +".

Personally, I don't care. At first, this is good for users. But I wonder why they are willing to hurt the ecosystem longterm with such actions. And that would be bad for users, too.

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