Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29 • Hacker News Board

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by toomanymike » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:51 PM UTC

Curious for one of my favorite apps, can anyone comment on BetterTouchTool (http://www.boastr.de/) quality on the new build?

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by wmf » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:52 PM UTC

lysol wrote: post #9

config_yml wrote: post #4

It's only available through the Mac App Store. So how can people upgrade from 10.5 without going the extra step to 10.6, which is required for the app store?

Can't you typically only upgrade to the next revision up? e.g. 10.5 to 10.6

No, some people used to skip versions to save money. But now that each update is only $30 they can afford to stay current.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by dsplittgerber » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:52 PM UTC

recoiledsnake wrote: post #46

Not sure why below comment is dead. The account seems ok and not hell banned. Was it flagged to death? If so, anyone who flagged it,why? dsplittgerber 24 minutes ago | link [dead] Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? Instapaper built-into Safari now, all kinds of messanger apps killed by iMessage, some of those photo apps going down the drain as well, Reminde…

I accidentally clicked twice and two identical comments were created. I deleted one. Alas, the other seems to have gone rougue as well.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by recoiledsnake » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:52 PM UTC

>This isn’t actually the first time Apple has offered an OS upgrade at a steep discount compared to its Windows rival (which typically runs over $100) — Snow Leopard made its debut at $29.

A pretty flawed apples to oranges comparison. OS X is more similar to bios updates... you buy the hardware, the vendor makes money off it and gives away the software. With Microsoft, you're paying the OEM money for the hardware(with razor thin margins usually but that's another story), so Microsoft doesn't make bank on expensive hardware and upgrades to RAM/HDD/CPU that Apple makes.

Edit: Not to mention that 10.5 to 10.7 is not upgradeable, you have to buy and install 10.6 first, install the App Store and then install 10.7. Windows 7 may not be upgradeable directly from XP without a format, but atleast you don't have to but and upgrade to Vista first!

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by thomasgerbe » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:54 PM UTC

Great news.

Now if only they just did away with the optical drives on MBP's. I have used mine about... twice in three years since owning my current laptop.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by beck5 » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:57 PM UTC

minalecs wrote: post #33

koenigdavidmj wrote: post #3

I wonder how much of a wrench in the works that will be for Hackintosh people.

If you install a valid registered copy of the OS on the hardware, I imagine none. For the people that obtain the OS through not so legal means, then I imagine they'll still be able to get around it as most application on the appstore are obtainable through other means.

I hope your right, but on most small releases 'tinkering' needs to be done to make it work. We will have to wait and see.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by Steko » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:57 PM UTC

recoiledsnake wrote: post #48

Steko wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty horrible experience for a tiny minority and a great experience for the majority. Sounds like Apple. I'm sure Macs without floppy drives were a terrible experience for people that relied on floppies.

>Pretty horrible experience for a tiny minority and a great experience for the majority. Sounds like Apple. How will having a shipped disk as an option ruin the experience of the majority? You analogy is flawed because floppy drives take up space and cost.

Sorta like "how will having a model with a floppy as an option ruin the experience of the majority?"

Nic Cage's hair is a bird, my analogy was flawed.

Maybe they will have a disk or other back up option, who knows but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by code_duck » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:58 PM UTC

dsplittgerber wrote: post #53

recoiledsnake wrote: post #46

Not sure why below comment is dead. The account seems ok and not hell banned. Was it flagged to death? If so, anyone who flagged it,why? dsplittgerber 24 minutes ago | link [dead] Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? Instapaper built-into Safari now, all kinds of messanger apps killed by iMessage, some of those photo apps going down the drain as well, Reminde…

I accidentally clicked twice and two identical comments were created. I deleted one. Alas, the other seems to have gone rougue as well.

This has happened to me before - I triple posted, then deleted two comments to find that the remaining one was marked dead. I think HN has duplicate detection and dupes get marked dead automatically, so one should keep this in mind when manually deleting duplicate posts. It's good to wait a few minutes and see whether it's already taken care of.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by noarchy » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:59 PM UTC

dongsheng wrote: post #38

Oh come on apple now we have to do everything through your stores?

This is not a total change in direction for Apple, just a fleshing out of what they've been wanting to do for a while. Expect more of this in the future, not less.

Re: Mac OS X Lion: Coming In July For $29

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Post by ansy » Mon, Jun 06, 2011, 6:59 PM UTC

recoiledsnake wrote: post #46

Not sure why below comment is dead. The account seems ok and not hell banned. Was it flagged to death? If so, anyone who flagged it,why? dsplittgerber 24 minutes ago | link [dead] Anyone else surprised by how many hugely popular apps Apple is going to kill with new Lion/iOS? Instapaper built-into Safari now, all kinds of messanger apps killed by iMessage, some of those photo apps going down the drain as well, Reminde…

This is par for the course with Apple. I remember back in the day there was this super popular shareware app called Aaron that gave System 7 users a System 8 looking theme. Keep in mind this was the dark ages of Apple.

Aaron evolved into Kaleidoscope. A general purpose shareware theme manager that was met with enthusiasm by the Mac community. Kaleidoscope was synonymous with themes on Mac OS.

http://www.kaleidoscope.net/What_is_Kaleidoscope.html

By the time OS 8.5 rolled around Apple introduced Appearance Manager. Which was no more than a total rip off of Kaleidoscope. Apple engineers even wrote an internal utility that would convert Kaleidoscope themes into Appearance Manager themes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appearance_Manager#Kaleidoscope

The shareware author got zero credit. Zero money. He just got ripped off by Apple. In the end, though, Appearance Manager never took off. It was a combination of Kaleidoscope's momentum and the taint of Appearance Manager that kept theme authors from adopting it.

EDIT: I also add the story of Konfabulator, written later by some of the same people that did Kaleidoscope. Konfabulator was also ripped off by Apple in the form of Dashboard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashboard_(software)#Comparison...