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Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

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Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

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The title references H. P. Lovecraft's story 'Beyond the Wall of Sleep': https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/bws.aspx A lot of scientific research has been inspired by science fiction, but i tend to think that the worlds of H. P. Lovecraft, Philip K. Dick, etc might best be avoided rather than sought out.

Black Sabbath were huge fans of H.P. Lovecraft https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OYgBOVoLI6U

I didn't know that! Ningen Isu, who have been described as the Japanese Black Sabbath, have also done a few Lovecraft songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JY89ZxVqEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHk3k49kec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eF77ePmHA4

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

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I have practiced lucid dreaming for literally years, and imho anyone who says they get super detailed dreams is full of **. Your mind doesn't have enough processing power to render realistic scenes. It's all a blurry mess and you wake up if you exert too much control.

My god, the gall of you to claim that since you can't do something, nobody else can. Quite a preposterous and absurd claim. I'm sure you have seen this[1] image that tests for a phenomenon known as aphantasia. While I myself can only briefly hold the fourth image in my head, I know several who can hold the fifth or sixth in their head continuously with ease. Likewise, I practice lucid dreaming on the regular, and yes…

Can you explain what the test is about? I need to look at the picture and recall it? For how long and how soon?

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

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1. It's most likely a lie. I am not saying that to start a flame war, I just have actual experience with this. As in years of dedicated experience. 2. Keep a dream journal. 3. Do reality checking throughout the day. 4. Meditate before sleep. Do a relaxation exercise. There's 100s of them. "Lucid Dreaming: A Concise Guide to Awakening in Your Dreams and in Your Life" is the definitive book on the topic that everyone c…

What about it is most likely a lie? I've had dreams go lucid. I mainly want to use them to practice physical skills in the dream world and have them transfer to real life. I remember ready a study about it.

Not sure why he said that it's a lie. I have had lucid and vivid dreams that felt very real. The most significant one was when I "woke up" but in a dream. I then woke up again but this time for real. It was so surreal and at first I wasn't sure whether I was actually awake or still in a dream...

It haunted me for some time after because I never expected something like in the movie inception to be possible in real life.

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

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1. It's most likely a lie. I am not saying that to start a flame war, I just have actual experience with this. As in years of dedicated experience. 2. Keep a dream journal. 3. Do reality checking throughout the day. 4. Meditate before sleep. Do a relaxation exercise. There's 100s of them. "Lucid Dreaming: A Concise Guide to Awakening in Your Dreams and in Your Life" is the definitive book on the topic that everyone c…

What about it is most likely a lie? I've had dreams go lucid. I mainly want to use them to practice physical skills in the dream world and have them transfer to real life. I remember ready a study about it.

1. The details. 2. The level of control.

A study to test this would be simple - test skills level at something (e.g. chess), and then have the study participant study "in their sleep" for a month. Test again. It has never been done. Not even close. As it has never been done, I strongly believe you are misinterpreting / over-stating your results.

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have practiced lucid dreaming for literally years, and imho anyone who says they get super detailed dreams is full of **. Your mind doesn't have enough processing power to render realistic scenes. It's all a blurry mess and you wake up if you exert too much control.

My god, the gall of you to claim that since you can't do something, nobody else can. Quite a preposterous and absurd claim. I'm sure you have seen this[1] image that tests for a phenomenon known as aphantasia. While I myself can only briefly hold the fourth image in my head, I know several who can hold the fifth or sixth in their head continuously with ease. Likewise, I practice lucid dreaming on the regular, and yes…

There is no "gall" involved here - it's called experience. When you have lifted weights for the past 15 years and someone tells you they deadlifted 500 lbs the first time they tried it, you have enough experience to know they are lying. Simple as.

As far as your image - I still maintain that if you can "hold it", you can draw it, especially for simple geometric shapes like a star.

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I have practiced lucid dreaming for literally years, and imho anyone who says they get super detailed dreams is full of **. Your mind doesn't have enough processing power to render realistic scenes. It's all a blurry mess and you wake up if you exert too much control.

Yeah I know what you mean, I have been trying physical excercise for literally years now, and everybody who says they enjoy it is literally full of **. Everything I do makes me sweaty and winded, even walking.

I am not sure if this is sarcasm, but there is a huge trend of ascribing absolutely magical benefits to working out, eating clean, and taking cold showers.

It's a direct result of influencers selling a lifestyle. I work out, and have my entire life, but it definitely doesn't feel amazing - it's just a grind and you feel a bit better afterward.

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Black Sabbath were huge fans of H.P. Lovecraft https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OYgBOVoLI6U

I didn't know that! Ningen Isu, who have been described as the Japanese Black Sabbath, have also done a few Lovecraft songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JY89ZxVqEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZHk3k49kec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eF77ePmHA4

I didn't know them!

I absolutely love it!

thanks

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My daughter has narcolepsy and (according to her) always lucid dreams, so I hope this isn't completely true.

If you remember your dreams it's a sign of bad sleep, so yes it's probably true.

Where did you get this from?

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

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If you remember your dreams it's a sign of bad sleep, so yes it's probably true.

Where did you get this from?

This guy: https://schlafmedizin.charite.de/metas/person/person/address...

said it in this podcast:

https://www.kuechenstud.io/medienradio/podcast/di092-ueber-g...

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