Live data from Hacker News

Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

beta.nsf.gov

101–110 of 133 posts

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#101
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure you aren't suffering from aphantasia and extrapolating that to other people?

No, I am not. Or I wouldn't be able to draw from imagination. Most people get a brief, vague glimpse and act like they can hold an image in their mind. You aren't holding it if you can't draw from it. End of story.

[deleted]

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#102
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, I used to have similar experiences. Until I started deliberately lucid dreaming and learned some "dream stabilization" techniques. The first time I had a proper, photo-realistic dream with complete awareness that it was a dream it blew my fucking mind in a way that was almost religious. I could feel the sun on my face, and the texture of the sidewalk I was walking on. I couldn't stop looking at plants! It was in…

How did you get to that point? I've been working towards trying for consistent lucid dreams. I'm most successful when I wake up early and go back to sleep for ~1 hour.

1. It's most likely a lie. I am not saying that to start a flame war, I just have actual experience with this. As in years of dedicated experience.

2. Keep a dream journal.

3. Do reality checking throughout the day.

4. Meditate before sleep. Do a relaxation exercise. There's 100s of them.

"Lucid Dreaming: A Concise Guide to Awakening in Your Dreams and in Your Life" is the definitive book on the topic that everyone copies. No one has additional information.

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#103
post #43

AING folks have been doing lucid dreaming for years, their Russian forum at forum.aing.ru has 400k messages, so if you're interested in the topic, there's something you can learn from them. They have a number of attempts to make contacts with each other while lucid dreaming. You can check out the English version for their stuff here: https://obe4u.com

I have practiced lucid dreaming for literally years, and imho anyone who says they get super detailed dreams is full of **. Your mind doesn't have enough processing power to render realistic scenes. It's all a blurry mess and you wake up if you exert too much control.

Yeah I know what you mean, I have been trying physical excercise for literally years now, and everybody who says they enjoy it is literally full of **.

Everything I do makes me sweaty and winded, even walking.

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have practiced lucid dreaming for literally years, and imho anyone who says they get super detailed dreams is full of **. Your mind doesn't have enough processing power to render realistic scenes. It's all a blurry mess and you wake up if you exert too much control.

FYI, I used to have similar experiences. Until I started deliberately lucid dreaming and learned some "dream stabilization" techniques. The first time I had a proper, photo-realistic dream with complete awareness that it was a dream it blew my fucking mind in a way that was almost religious. I could feel the sun on my face, and the texture of the sidewalk I was walking on. I couldn't stop looking at plants! It was in…

These really intense dreams, are you in control of the imagery, or is it something you are experiencing beyond your control? When I have intense dreams and try to control them the fidelity breaks down and I usually wake up.

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#106
post #43

AING folks have been doing lucid dreaming for years, their Russian forum at forum.aing.ru has 400k messages, so if you're interested in the topic, there's something you can learn from them. They have a number of attempts to make contacts with each other while lucid dreaming. You can check out the English version for their stuff here: https://obe4u.com

I have practiced lucid dreaming for literally years, and imho anyone who says they get super detailed dreams is full of **. Your mind doesn't have enough processing power to render realistic scenes. It's all a blurry mess and you wake up if you exert too much control.

[deleted]

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#107
post #5

Is there an app or device that can reliably determine if you are in REM and signal you so you can become lucid? Does lucid dreaming affect the recovery you get from sleep?

There's a device with app which can reliably determine if you are in REM: https://dreem.com/ . I have sleep apnea and bought it in order to keep track of the quality of my sleep.

I'd be interested in hearing about your experience with Dreem. We're building a similar product at https://soundmind.co

Though Apnea is not in our initial target group, we'll be looking into ways we can resolve apnea in the future. I have central apnea (brain stops breathing).

Do you continue to use your Dreem? How does knowing the "quality of your sleep" help you? We're more interested in improving the quality of your sleep than in just giving you the data.

Details are in my profile if you feel like reaching out.

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#108

The subject stated that while he was receiving these questions, he was "dreaming that he was asleep in the lab". Isn't is just as plausible that he wasn't lucid dreaming at all, and was instead in a half-asleep, half-awake stupor and responding to the questions from his awake consciousness? It would be much more convincing if the subject were in a different landscape.

They verified via brainwaves that he was in the REM stage of sleep. I don't really know anything about brainwaves, but this seems like the kind of thing that's fairly definitive.

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#109
post #59

The title references H. P. Lovecraft's story 'Beyond the Wall of Sleep': https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/bws.aspx A lot of scientific research has been inspired by science fiction, but i tend to think that the worlds of H. P. Lovecraft, Philip K. Dick, etc might best be avoided rather than sought out.

Black Sabbath were huge fans of H.P. Lovecraft

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OYgBOVoLI6U

Re: Scientists break through the wall of sleep to the untapped world of dreams

#110
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI, I used to have similar experiences. Until I started deliberately lucid dreaming and learned some "dream stabilization" techniques. The first time I had a proper, photo-realistic dream with complete awareness that it was a dream it blew my fucking mind in a way that was almost religious. I could feel the sun on my face, and the texture of the sidewalk I was walking on. I couldn't stop looking at plants! It was in…

These really intense dreams, are you in control of the imagery, or is it something you are experiencing beyond your control? When I have intense dreams and try to control them the fidelity breaks down and I usually wake up.

Didn’t practice too much, maybe you can get better at control, my own actions I could control including things like walking through wall or flying off from balcony, but not so much environment around me, a bit but not much. For waking up (very common when you realise you are in a dream) for me spinning around always worked very well. For me visual and sensual details were absolutely impressive, it’s at the level you can easily believe there exists another world, but it’s always nonsense threaded from your own memory with logic errors everywhere, however when inside the feel of truthness of reality is absolutely overwhelming.
Post reply on HN