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Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by rjsw » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:01 PM UTC

petertodd wrote: post #214

danlugo92 wrote: post #207

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Whats a good alternative? The ceramic ones?

Personally I just use cheap and simple solid stainless steel cookware, and scrub aggressively. Chainmail scrubbers work well for really baked on stuff: https://www.amazon.com/Knapp-Made-CM-Scrubber-Stainless/dp/B... I used to have teflon cookware. It's great in theory. But in practice, I find indestructible stuff that you don't have to baby works much better for me. Of course, if you don't have much upper body streng…

Traditional cooking techniques [1] make use of the browned bits anyway, you don't get this as much with non stick cookware. I don't find stainless steel pans too hard to clean.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deglazing_(cooking)

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by amanaplanacanal » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:02 PM UTC

chiefalchemist wrote: post #210

Correct me if I'm wrong but being overweight or obese is an endocrine disruptor. Such conditions exist in what ~50%+ of USA adults. Worse there are children growing up who are effectively unhealthy from age 5 forward. Add in other disruptors (e.g., chemicals) and naturally there are going to be problems; problems despite the narrative, are not due to the healthcare system.

It wouldn’t surprise me if we discover that the exogenous disrupters are causing the high obesity rate.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by DoreenMichele » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:02 PM UTC

Aerroon wrote: post #236

DoreenMichele wrote: post #153

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Nutrition, being a basic of human survival, has been sovled for millenias. Humans were mostly subsistence cultures for millennia (which means a period of a thousand years, so you are saying we solved this thousands of years ago). We routinely starved to death and only recently figured out something called "nutrients" exist in food. It isn't that long ago we discovered Vitamin C as the cure for scurvy and it's the rea…

Another example of a nutritional disease is beriberi. It plagued the Japanese Navy in the 19th century: > Beriberi was a serious problem in the Japanese navy: Sailors fell ill an average of four times a year in the period 1878 to 1881, and 35% were cases of beriberi. It was caused by a vitamin B1 deficiency. Sailors were eating mainly white rice (polished) rather than brown rice (unpolished) while underway. A more va…

We are currently researching the role of various nutrients in vulnerability to Covid. (Vitamin D and zinc seem to be the most salient nutrients for trying to reduce vulnerability, which is not the same thing as "curing" it.)

We have barely scratched the surface on the topic of nutrition and disease.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by aaronmdjones » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:05 PM UTC

jonplackett wrote: post #89

Aachen wrote: post #85

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> antibacterial soap, too? how do you keep yourself clean? Regular soap?

Exactly. Antibacterial soap is marketing BS. Soap already kills bacteria. As it has done since it was invented. Proof point- look how hard antibacterial soap is being advertised during the pandemic, which is cause by a frikkin VIRUS

COVID-19 is surrounded by a lipid envelope; soaps break down lipids.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by csharptwdec19 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:06 PM UTC

dalbasal wrote: post #125

tracker1 wrote: post #121

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I think a lot of it comes down to how it's processed... fermentation probably made it safer to consume over time. I think the aversion to dietary fat for the past 3 generations combined with refined seed/bean oils has been hugely detrimental to human health as well. Not to mention, even with reductions, we still consume a massive amount of sugar per capita compared to pre-wwii levels.

>> aversion to dietary fat for the past 3 generations combined with refined seed/bean oils Aye... This is probably the first medically/scientifically prescribed diet for society at large and it has been a disaster.

And the worst thing is, as we've learned from Big Tobacco, They're -never- going to admit it. Nestle, Kraft, etc. will stop at nothing to make sure they aren't liable for the way they cut costs at the expense of generations of human beings health.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by nimbleal » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

74d-fe6-2c6 wrote: post #130

jonplackett wrote: post #47

As someone who has had to do IVF for our child and go through the challenge of figuring our what to do to try and improve sperm quality, I can tell you once you start looking into it, basically everything about modern life is bad for sperm. Heat, radiation, plastic, micro plastics, soya, tap water, Teflon, antibacterial soap, underpants, western diet. It’s a perfect storm. If you’re going though it though I offer a r…

If those things are bad for sperm count I'd expect them to be bad for the rest of the body as well. Sperm count is probably just a convenient metric which reveals the detrimental impact.

In my (layman’s) review of related literature, this seems to be the case. I’ve gone through phases of looking into for eg. what might optimise lean mass, testosterone, longevity, decrease cancer risk, sperm count etc. It’s all basically the same stuff. Unsurprising, really.

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Post by lm28469 » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

vincentmarle wrote: post #2

> Store food in glass containers, not plastic. Above all, don’t microwave foods in plastic or with plastic wrap on top. Avoid pesticides. Buy organic produce if possible. Avoid tobacco or marijuana. Use a cotton or linen shower curtain, not one made of vinyl. Don’t use air fresheners. Prevent dust buildup. Vet consumer products you use with an online guide like that of the Environmental Working Group. I really want t…

> For example, almost all the food I buy is in plastic containers.

I stopped buying these a while ago. Buy fresh veggies, classic pasta/rice/lentils or whatever you fancy, meat from the butcher if you eat meat, I skip anything I can't identify or anything that I couldn't make myself at home with regular ingredients.

It's super restrictive but you get rid of literally 99% of junk food. You are what you eat, quite literally

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by Accacin » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #219

ejolto wrote: post #205

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> Is that enough? It must have been enough since his sperm count increased 4x, no? Either the filter worked or microplastics don't effect sperm count much.

I’ve got an anti-tiger rock to sell you… “Something changed, therefore this must be the reason” is a fallacy if there isn’t additional supporting evidence.

To be fair, this is a personal story and not a scientific study.

Re: Falling sperm counts, declining egg quality, and endocrine disruptors

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Post by datavirtue » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

petertodd wrote: post #214

danlugo92 wrote: post #207

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Whats a good alternative? The ceramic ones?

Personally I just use cheap and simple solid stainless steel cookware, and scrub aggressively. Chainmail scrubbers work well for really baked on stuff: https://www.amazon.com/Knapp-Made-CM-Scrubber-Stainless/dp/B... I used to have teflon cookware. It's great in theory. But in practice, I find indestructible stuff that you don't have to baby works much better for me. Of course, if you don't have much upper body streng…

I have used cast iron for decades. Never once had to scrub them.

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Post by sep_field » Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 1:18 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #143

yudlejoza wrote: post #65

Pick a random essential nutrient. For instance, take zinc. Human body needs it. It needs to be taken in. You need to ensure the right food items, or the right supplements, doesn't matter. Where does that source come from? plants? animals? imported? produced? What goes into that? What's the prevalent intake level in developed countries? developing countries? what should be the right intake level? where (which parts of…

Or just stop, or reduce as much as possible, the amount of crap we eat? There is no reason why meat has to be that low cost. Or that we cannot cook ourselves with fresh ingredients, ideally grown and sourced locally. Nutrition, being a basic of human survival, has been sovled for millenias. We just lost it with pushing industrialized food production, of any kid, way to far over the point needed to get rid of starvati…

I agree with you, though, there is no reason we need to eat meat at all. The cost to the planet is way too high. Vegetarian diets are far healthier for us and our Earth.