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Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by jojobas »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #160
jojobas wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever Twitter/Youtube doesn't support is effectively shut down. If nobody supports a p2p project like this than everyone who could use it are shut down.

There’s a ton of distance between the Voltaire quote goalposts and the corporate social network deplatforming goalposts. Voltaire wasn’t dying for anyone’s right to post videos on YouTube.

In Voltaire's time all one could do is speak at the market square.

Today that's roughly equivalent to speaking in a dark room with nobody else inside, I doubt that' what Voltaire was willing to die for.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by throaway123456 »

encom wrote: post #67
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Frustrated with Parler deplatforming" was kind of a giveaway.

Yea, if OP opposes cancel culture, he must be a nazi. There's no other conclusion.

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Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by 3np »

3np wrote: post #84
aninuth wrote: post #65

This is an interesting project by all means, but I'm curious as to what your goal/vision for this project is. The reason that most online forum-esque services involve some sort of moderation isn't because they give in to the so-called "woke SJW Twitter mob", it's because they want to expand their user bases - a platform cannot host large amounts of sexist content and attract women, it cannot stop taking action agains…

In the post, they mention that each board will be moderated (filtered) by the creator, and the same goes for thread creators. Effectively it comes down to content creation and filters that can live on the client-side. Any decentralized unauthenticated or federated social network faces the same issues around reputation, moderation and sybil attacks. Matrix, for example, has the same. I imagine over time we'll get a gr…

> Effectively it comes down to content creation and filters that can live on the client-side.

Too late to edit but meant to write "content curation"

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by mieses »

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #76
ojnabieoot wrote: post #30

You can pretend to care about North Korean censorship all you want, but if you name your platform “Pepe,” positively cite 4chan as an influence, and take the time to criticize “cancel culture SJWs” then it’s quite clear what your intentions and motivations are, and who your audience is: you want to create a space run by and for racist pieces of garbage. You don’t actually care about free speech at all, and neither do…

It seems like you might have sympathies with the cancel-culture SJWs and oppose whatever this gal is behind. Rather than letting your emotions run wild, perhaps asking questions and thinking carefully might make more sense. For instance, foremost in my thoughts is the question: to what extent do makers of effective open-source tools have any control over how they're used? Popularity for Pepe might mean use by progres…

You can't reason with the absolute moral and political certitude of the contemporary left. Reading their intellectual heritage may help you understand why but it's not going to win arguments.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/1344281?seq=1

https://www.marcuse.org/herbert/publications/1960s/1965-repr...

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/07/the-lies-we-tell-about-le...

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by wrycoder »

effie wrote: post #150
nerdponx wrote: post #105

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It's worth copying and pasting the quote used on Wikipedia, because it actually espouses a very strong view that I think many Americans, even moderate ones, might find surprising: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolera…

Unfortunately, this argument and its result is not a good guide, because it is vague of what is "intolerant" and easily gets interpreted as fighting fascism with fascism. In order to win, we must become the enemy, because we are better. No thanks.

Popper is clear. He’s not willing to extend tolerance to completely intolerant people.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by dang »

cemerick wrote: post #134
almost_usual wrote: post #101

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I didn’t know what R5N was until I read this. Ignoring technology because you don’t like the context seems short sighted.

Yes, quality nuggets can be found even among refuse, but my point was not to discount that potential. Thanks to the length of the manifesto/thought experiment, at least the first half-hours' worth of upvotes were provided because of the absurd premise/worldview, not in spite of it. If that seems fine to you (speaking royally here), you're in the right place.

It takes time for the immune system to kick in. In this case it did pretty quickly.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by jakelazaroff »

jojobas wrote: post #171
jakelazaroff wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a ton of distance between the Voltaire quote goalposts and the corporate social network deplatforming goalposts. Voltaire wasn’t dying for anyone’s right to post videos on YouTube.

In Voltaire's time all one could do is speak at the market square. Today that's roughly equivalent to speaking in a dark room with nobody else inside, I doubt that' what Voltaire was willing to die for.

Right, he was talking about speaking without fearing punishment by the government. The modern equivalent of which is… speaking without fearing punishment by the government.

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by ojnabieoot »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #162
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like you might have sympathies with the cancel-culture SJWs and oppose whatever this gal is behind. Rather than letting your emotions run wild, perhaps asking questions and thinking carefully might make more sense. For instance, foremost in my thoughts is the question: to what extent do makers of effective open-source tools have any control over how they're used? Popularity for Pepe might mean use by progres…

> Rather than letting your emotions run wild, perhaps asking questions and thinking carefully might make more sense. That's incredibly presumptuous of you to the point of being very rude.

Although it is very funny coming from someone named NoImmatureAdHom...

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by waterhouse »

igetspam wrote: post #154
tovej wrote: post #6

"You see, freedom of speech and expression must be absolute." That's pretty extreme. First, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence of speech. And second, freedom of speech only applies to public forums. Why would a private enterprise need to put up with someone spreading vitriol and fake news? Let's say I own a mall, and you rent a store in that mall. You suddenly decide that you are going to start selling…

Upvoted and replying because it is something everyone should have to read: > freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence of speech. It's a fundamental failing of comprehension to not know that. Speech is free and so are repercussions. Say what you want but know that a response is possible and also just as free.

Surely, if one of the consequences of speech is being thrown in jail, that would violate freedom of speech. Therefore, freedom of speech means freedom from at least some consequences of speech. Then the question is, which consequences?

Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence

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Post by [deleted] »

jojobas wrote: post #109
ojnabieoot wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I may disagree with what you say, but I will not write a critical Hacker News comment, since you are a pathological crybaby who interprets any negative remark as an act of censorship.” Nowhere did I say that the app should be “shut down.” I said it shouldn’t be supported.

Whatever Twitter/Youtube doesn't support is effectively shut down. If nobody supports a p2p project like this than everyone who could use it are shut down.

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