How sadly unsurprising that HN hates free speech. This just proves that we need platforms free of Silicon Valley influence.
Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
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Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#62"You see, freedom of speech and expression must be absolute." That's pretty extreme. First, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence of speech. And second, freedom of speech only applies to public forums. Why would a private enterprise need to put up with someone spreading vitriol and fake news? Let's say I own a mall, and you rent a store in that mall. You suddenly decide that you are going to start selling…
What if you exclusively kick all blacks out of your mall? Under your rules, that should be indiscriminately allowed.
Discrimination based on what someone is is wrong and illegal. That's why we have protected classes for race, gender, sexuality, age, and so on.
Discrimination based on people's words and actions is how society functions. It's perfectly legal.
This isn't even about politics. If you think people refusing to do business with white supremacists, insurrectionists, and racists is discriminating against a political party, that says a lot about that political party. No one's getting deplatformed for talking about deregulation or free trade.
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#63Why not install INN and then slrn or similar and do it via Usenet? The free.* hierarchicy is available.
Would love to see a legit reply to this point. Usenet is there.
It's kind of in the article even if not mentioned explicitly: Usenet is not censorship-resistant or anonymous in the same way
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#64Why not install INN and then slrn or similar and do it via Usenet? The free.* hierarchicy is available.
Would love to see a legit reply to this point. Usenet is there.
Because free speech like the author wants = objectionable content.
Which server providers will be hosting that Usenet newsgroups and be willing to be legal responsible for said content ?
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#65This is an interesting project by all means, but I'm curious as to what your goal/vision for this project is. The reason that most online forum-esque services involve some sort of moderation isn't because they give in to the so-called "woke SJW Twitter mob", it's because they want to expand their user bases - a platform cannot host large amounts of sexist content and attract women, it cannot stop taking action against content that is racist and expect a multicultural user base, and so forth.
As for an intial starting point, it makes sense that you are looking to capture users that have been kicked off places like Reddit, FB, or can't participate on Parler any longer and I'm sure you will have success within that target group if you are able to get this off the ground. However, I'm not sure where you're going to get new users from after that - and without a more diverse user base, you are not only limiting the spread of ideas from your platform to elsewhere but are also creating an echo chamber where people who self-select for "my views are not tolerable in the mainstream" are the only ones who are talking. This problem will get worse over time, and make it even harder to attract new users.
Like you say in your blog post, a major source of frustration with existing technology is that "They prefer purity to practicality". It seems an awful lot like you are trying to do the same thing here, and while this project will certainly be entertaining, I'm not sure how viable this will end up being - I'm having a hard time seeing this as anything other than another Voat/Ruqqus.
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#66Will it prevent blocking others from replying to counter irrational, unreasonable thinking - or say, if someone's promoting violence - can others be able to comment to try to quell, calm the anger - or will individuals be able to censor whomever they like which is arguably as bad as deplatforming?
>What is fundamentally different with Pepe is moderation. Instead of relying on a centralized entity with a banhammer, each board and thread owner may anonymously moderate their spaces on their own. However, nothing can actually be deleted, it can only be shadowed, and each user decides whether they want to see the light or the full version of the page at any moment in time. People can still reply to shadowed posts i…
Inevitably I think bad or bad faith actors, the kind who were on Parler or in /r/Conservative that ban people with a counter-narrative will simply not use the platforms where they can't have full control to completely silence anyone they please.
It's why I'm fairly certain giving bad actors "free" access to the best technology is nonsense, you wouldn't give enemies your plans to your latest technological advances in weaponry - and the same goes now for the digital age.
The deplatforming done recently of Trump et al by multiple technology layers of private owned companies, was good overall to at least slow down their rallying and organization. Yes, it possibly inflamed some - but they quickly learned if you don't behave within the bounds of what's considered civilized behaviour that allows society to thrive and that these free companies of people, organized people, understand and have a solid foundation that they're holding the line for; contrast this to countries where there's a tyranny as a government that has their hands in all important companies to understand the importance of the ability for private companies to have this power to decide as a failsafe against government becoming a tyranny.
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#67You can pretend to care about North Korean censorship all you want, but if you name your platform “Pepe,” positively cite 4chan as an influence, and take the time to criticize “cancel culture SJWs” then it’s quite clear what your intentions and motivations are, and who your audience is: you want to create a space run by and for racist pieces of garbage. You don’t actually care about free speech at all, and neither do…
"Frustrated with Parler deplatforming" was kind of a giveaway.
Yea, if OP opposes cancel culture, he must be a nazi. There's no other conclusion.
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
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The whole point of the platform is to be a place that is not dependent on being in the good graces of any single private company and/or government for its existence.
I'm floored at how many commenters here are expressing their doubts about this project because the author clearly has a distasteful political affiliation. Yes, it being named after Pepe (and use of dogwhistle terms like "SJW") is a clear sign that the author is a person who I would probably be thrilled to see get a kick in the teeth.
But I'm really quite disappointed in the overtly authoritarian attitude being expressed here. Somehow we're all champions of Tor and Bitcoin although they clearly can be (and are) used to serve the needs of drug cartels, sex traffickers, terrorists (other than the ones too stupid to plan their insurrection on Parler), et alia. But as soon as someone happens to associate the thing with the alt-right, we are all anti-freedom?
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Ignorant" == you can't be bothered to come up with a genuine refutation
Watch: this is some white dude worrying that white dudes might be silenced. Show me all the money trying to make marginalized voices heard and then you cannot fuck off into the multiverse like whichever anime show you Stan but don’t respect.
Stop equating strong freedom-of-speech ideals with racism. Nobody should be silenced unless they are directly inciting violence. Remember, any exceptions can be twisted around as social norms change.
Re: Frustrated with Parler deplatforming, I am building a service no one can silence
#70Why not install INN and then slrn or similar and do it via Usenet? The free.* hierarchicy is available.
Not secure enough? People operating the servers see everything you are doing, this is no-no for whistleblowers.