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People forget that they get these free services for free, and a big portion of that is because ML tools are able to cheaply do a really hard job of moderating. You hear about things like this because they're so unusual, which is a testament to the amount of time they work correctly without being noticed. Granted, there have been some issues with people getting banned from Google services for what appear to be wrong r…
Not entirely true. First the platform is free, but also is the content that people provide and without it Youtube wouldn't make sense - so it's not a free service, it's a partnership. Second, for many people YouTube is the primary source of income, and I'm sure there would be plenty of content authors who'd be glad to pay a service with human moderators rather than bots - GIVEN THAT they get to keep access to the sam…
YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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> It is obviously associating racism with something not intentionally racist. But does it not strike to you at all problematic, at the moment, that 'black' is a synonym of 'bad' and 'white' of 'good'? Does it not occur to you that it might improve our language to change that? Honestly, lately I feel like the opposite is the case. Everywhere I go anywhere online all I see is white people being shit on. I see incredibl…
I don't really agree that if you're in the social majority you can be upset about racism against your empowered majority position... it just doesn't make sense. That said, if you're white in China/India/Kenya/etc... 100% there is a heap of racism directed at you and I feel for you
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Why? I don't have anything to prove to you. Anytime I have chosen to engage with someone who has given a response like yours and chosen to give sources and examples I am met with a ignorant response saying something like "you can't be racist towards white people". It's just not worth it for me to engage like that anymore. How about bringing a discussion to what I said rather than asking for random proof of what I sai…
> If someone tries to dismiss an opinion by calling someone a "privileged white male" how would that be any better than dismissing someone's opinion for being black? Context matters... if you are in the position of privilege and saying things that you can only say because of your position. Then I can see why some people would dismiss it. The difference is: if you try to dismiss someone in a minority position for sayi…
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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even one person going around on GitHub would be virtually guaranteed to eventually change all of them It only took one complaint from someone in Canada to get Dire Straits' "Money for Nothing" cut in half on SiriusXM for an entire continent. (Though you can still hear the full version on the deep tracks channel).)
they cut it in half rather than just bleep the "F" word?
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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A lot of language-fixing slacktivism easily becomes a trend because it's highly visible and requires no genuine effort. It's complete bullshit, though. This particular bullshit is awful since it trivializes all this historic pain to some inane game of word association. There's no point arguing, though, just drag your heels until they get bored and go off on some other crusade.
In the last couple years especially I feel like I am walking on eggshells when talking to people. Especially when talking to people I don't know as well. It feels so easy to offend someone these days and I'm getting sick of it. I've been having to unfollow a ton of podcasts recently because no matter how far from being related to politics some podcasts are, they just love to make sure a chunk of the episode is devote…
I have seen and listened to a lot of race-conscious content over the last few years. As a white man, I can't say I've taken any of it as a personal attack. I'd be happy to talk more about this out of thread.
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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even one person going around on GitHub would be virtually guaranteed to eventually change all of them It only took one complaint from someone in Canada to get Dire Straits' "Money for Nothing" cut in half on SiriusXM for an entire continent. (Though you can still hear the full version on the deep tracks channel).)
> It only took one complaint from someone in Canada to get Dire Straits' "Money for Nothing" cut in half on SiriusXM for an entire continent Even after the decision was reversed[0]? [0] https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/canada-lifts-b...
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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Why? I don't have anything to prove to you. Anytime I have chosen to engage with someone who has given a response like yours and chosen to give sources and examples I am met with a ignorant response saying something like "you can't be racist towards white people". It's just not worth it for me to engage like that anymore. How about bringing a discussion to what I said rather than asking for random proof of what I sai…
> If someone tries to dismiss an opinion by calling someone a "privileged white male" how would that be any better than dismissing someone's opinion for being black? Context matters... if you are in the position of privilege and saying things that you can only say because of your position. Then I can see why some people would dismiss it. The difference is: if you try to dismiss someone in a minority position for sayi…
I disagree with that logic you are using. Your logic seems racist to me. You are assuming a black person = less privileged and a white person = more privileged. I view both of these assumptions as racist. I think it is wrong to associate a race with a level or privilege. I think it is wrong to assume someone's race, gender, and level of privilege due to a view someone holds. I think it is even more wrong to then use someone's race and gender to dismiss their points.
If someone is having a discussion what positive effect would calling someone those derogatory (and in my opinion: racist) terms be helpful? It's not going to make me see their point of view. No matter how good of a rebuttal and explanation they may have had for me I am no longer going to care. Once someone is making assumptions and calling you names the whole conversation loses substance and value. This kind of bullshit just continues to propagate further divide and hatred between races.
I think it is perfectly valid to think that maybe someone holds a viewpoint because of their status in life. But I don't think that is a valid reason to attack them. I would rather look at that as an opportunity to exchange views and have a conversation. But unfortunately especially on sites like Reddit I no longer am able to do that. I used to be able to, but now anytime I have a view that is slightly conservative leaning I am called names or called racist. And what's ironic is that I really couldn't give a shit about political sides or parties. I have a lot of views that would be classed as pretty "liberal" while I also have a lot of views that would be classed as pretty "conservative". For some reason there always has to be a divide. It always has to be an Us versus Them mentality.
So people will assume status, race, gender in order to create an imaginary enemy and destroy any conversation that could be had.
Whether you think someone's viewpoint is something typical of a "privileged white male" is not relevant to almost any conversation.
If someone gives me a recipe online I don't assume they are a chef. Nor do I assume they don't know what they are talking about if they are not a chef. Someone being white or a male doesn't imply they are privileged. They may have had a harder life than most black people. I don't like using a stereotype to dismiss what someone else has to say. I think it is incredibly toxic and creates further hatred and divide.
Nobody will ever understand the other "side" if they are viewed like an enemy they can't talk to.
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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I know, everything was fine when the YouTube recommendation engine accidentally radicalized half English-speaking world and created a profitable fascist political movement.
Surely there's some space between "Recommend" and "Ban"?
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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I don't mind thinking about nebulous things and fully considering their consequences, including societal ones. But that feeling of walking on eggshells is more related to a surveillance state coming from social media. More explanatory than I could be: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-07/social-cooling-are-yo...
Because of how policed the online world feels with what you say it often feels like it applies in public. However I have yet to work/interact with anyone who seems as far gone as the permanently offended Twitter users seem to be. I swear not a day goes by anymore where I don't here about Twitter going after another person trying to cancel them. We see people losing their jobs simply for sharing a more conservative vi…
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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You kid but i've received 2 pull-requests on my open-source project, which only goal was to replace "Blacklist" with "Blocklist" in the app preferences. I don't receive many PRs. This is a real trend.
The English dramatist Philip Massinger used the phrase "black list" in his 1639 tragedy The Unnatural Combat.