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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by redisman »

EGreg wrote: post #206
sago wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm disagreeing with this thread. So I guess prepping for the down votes. > it trivializes all this historic pain to some inane game of word association I think addressing one issue does not 'trivialise' everything else. It can be horribly overstated but changing small fry can help provide momentum to change something more significant. > It's complete bullshit, It is obviously associating racism with something not in…

It may not be intentionally racist, but that doesn’t make it not racist. Consider why white moves first in chess. They literally did this two years ago: https://en.chessbase.com/post/carlsen-and-giri-campaign-for-... Anyway, in many religions the light illuminates things while darkness is the absence of light. So it’s not just about people’s race...

Also the night is black and dangerous. The daytime is bright and safe. These are ancient concepts and postmodernism isn’t some absolute truth

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Pxtl »

drak0n1c wrote: post #225
andrewzah wrote: post #5

“ The researchers now suggest that social-media platforms should incorporate chess language in their algorithms to avoid future incidents like this.” Or maybe don’t automate banning YouTube channels via nebulous black boxes? Or can advertisers stop being afraid of anything and everything?

Advertisers, youtubers, users, brands - everyone was happy prior to the era of demonetization. What killed the golden goose was an extremely small set of activists and journalists (specifically Media Matters and Vox) methodically threatening brands with publication of screenshots of their "support" for controversial niche videos. And just enough brand marketing and YouTube employees were cowed, or at least ideologica…

I know, everything was fine when the YouTube recommendation engine accidentally radicalized half English-speaking world and created a profitable fascist political movement.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by aero-glide2 »

lwouis wrote: post #47
throwawayboise wrote: post #9

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Your comment has been moderated for racist language ("black boxes").

You kid but i've received 2 pull-requests on my open-source project, which only goal was to replace "Blacklist" with "Blocklist" in the app preferences. I don't receive many PRs. This is a real trend.

They just want more commits under their belt haha

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by sago »

Fogest wrote: post #210
sago wrote: post #191

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> all I see is white people being shit on I figured that would be the feel of the objection. Maybe I should be grateful as a white person that that's not the world I find myself in. Happy to pick my variable names. I can't help but feel that the antagonism here is very similar to the antagonism I mentioned about Gendered language. The anger seemed mostly caused by being surprised by being asked to think about somethi…

The problem is that you're not thinking about the context of the word and instead are using it in a different context to be offended by it. I'd argue that you are the one who needs to think about it a bit more instead of blindly calling others names and trying to police the grammatically correct words someone uses. Just because you think and associate something with a negative racial implication when you see a word d…

> The problem is that you're not thinking about the context of the word and instead are using it in a different context to be offended by it.

Please be a bit more careful. Please don't assume you know what or how much I'm thinking.

I think the situation isn't as binary as you seem to be presenting it. The context of the word is a metaphor. The metaphor is commonly used for 'good versus bad'. This being a common metaphor in western language might not be helpful to some people. It's not difficult to be more explicit or to use a different metaphor.

> you are the one who needs to think about ... I am able to think on my own.

:) You know the classic idea: "I know I'm right, therefore you are either less intelligent or haven't thought hard enough!"?

You know how easy that is to think and why our brain gets us to think that way?

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Post by lizardmancan »

psyc wrote: post #174
sago wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm disagreeing with this thread. So I guess prepping for the down votes. > it trivializes all this historic pain to some inane game of word association I think addressing one issue does not 'trivialise' everything else. It can be horribly overstated but changing small fry can help provide momentum to change something more significant. > It's complete bullshit, It is obviously associating racism with something not in…

Peach-pink people aren’t white, and brown people are not black in the first place. Why do self-styled anti-racists not seem to have any problem with that? Why not start there instead of changing the deep symbolism of the colors black and white?

the symbolism is the problem and you need to account for it if you desire to cater to other ppls perception. You can also not care and just put it the way you think describes something.

the joke if you like is in the intend. If you chose not to correct your language it becomes intentional.

i offer no solutions

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Post by onethought »

Fogest wrote: post #154
sago wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm disagreeing with this thread. So I guess prepping for the down votes. > it trivializes all this historic pain to some inane game of word association I think addressing one issue does not 'trivialise' everything else. It can be horribly overstated but changing small fry can help provide momentum to change something more significant. > It's complete bullshit, It is obviously associating racism with something not in…

> It is obviously associating racism with something not intentionally racist. But does it not strike to you at all problematic, at the moment, that 'black' is a synonym of 'bad' and 'white' of 'good'? Does it not occur to you that it might improve our language to change that? Honestly, lately I feel like the opposite is the case. Everywhere I go anywhere online all I see is white people being shit on. I see incredibl…

I don't really agree that if you're in the social majority you can be upset about racism against your empowered majority position... it just doesn't make sense.

That said, if you're white in China/India/Kenya/etc... 100% there is a heap of racism directed at you and I feel for you

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

dagmx wrote: post #128
afavour wrote: post #3

Not sure what a thinly resourced piece like this is doing so high up on HN. There’s really very little evidence that this has anything to do with racial slurs. From a quick read: last June, the channel was banned for “harmful and dangerous” content. The ban was removed in under 24 hours. YouTube has not confirmed the reason. And yet: > Experts suspect that it was the usage of words like "black" and "white" that confu…

> Not sure what a thinly resourced piece like this is doing so high up on HN. Honestly, and anecdotally, I think there's been a large influx of people recently on the right wing spectrum and/or the more outrage driven spectrum. I've noticed a considerable shift in the number of outraged comments and right wing view points in the last few months. I believe this ties in to the deplatforming of Parler. I can only surmis…

The tech world, while seen as largely as being left wing, has had a strong right-wing libertarian streak. This streak seems to have followed the same right-ward march and increase in rhetoric as your standard conservatism.

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Post by Retric »

Sebb767 wrote: post #259
Retric wrote: post #208

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> 100,000 people might not be enough to just deal With flags... You’re off by orders of magnitude. 500 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 262800000 hours per year / 1.3x playback speed / 2,000 hours of work per person per year = ~101,077 people to watch every uploaded video. Less if people are watching at higher playback speeds or working significantly more than a 40h week. I would personally be surprised if even 1 in 1,000 videos wh…

> 500 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 262800000 hours per year / 1.3x playback speed / 2,000 hours of work per person per year = ~101,077 people to watch every uploaded video. When you have people watch the video at that fast speed and instantly make a decision, you might as well keep the algorithm - the failure rate won't be too different. Additionally, these people need holidays, managers, infrastructure and an actual flag will…

People often watch YouTube videos at 2x speeds, it’s part of their app to select 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2x because you can generally listen to most speakers at that speed just fine. Let alone 11 hours of ocean waves etc.

Only averaging 1.3x assumed significant overhead and going back to re listen to segments, have an escalation queue for flagged videos, and randomly assigning multiple people to the same videos to ensure people are paying attention not just playing solitaire while the video is on. Plus other random crap, in other words ~30% overhead.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by onethought »

Fogest wrote: post #213
m1gu3l wrote: post #195

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List me some “racist things being said about white people” you have seen on the internet so we can all see...

Why? I don't have anything to prove to you. Anytime I have chosen to engage with someone who has given a response like yours and chosen to give sources and examples I am met with a ignorant response saying something like "you can't be racist towards white people". It's just not worth it for me to engage like that anymore. How about bringing a discussion to what I said rather than asking for random proof of what I sai…

> If someone tries to dismiss an opinion by calling someone a "privileged white male" how would that be any better than dismissing someone's opinion for being black?

Context matters... if you are in the position of privilege and saying things that you can only say because of your position. Then I can see why some people would dismiss it.

The difference is: if you try to dismiss someone in a minority position for saying things that would be okay to say in a privileged position. Then you are just doubling down on that privilege.

This isn't about "white privilege" vs "black privilege" this about privilege in general. Really empathy is the answer and understanding where they are coming from will help you not inadvertently offend them.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by pgwhalen »

cambalache wrote: post #143
impendia wrote: post #13

Incidentally, if you like chess the channel is outstanding. (And back online now.) https://www.youtube.com/user/AGADMATOR I enjoy watching on my lunch breaks. Great breakdowns of games between top players past and present.

Agadmator is a mediocre player (as in no titled) and his analysis are pretty simplistic but he has created a good community of kids around his channel and he is a nice fellow. For actual analysis of quality you could check out the Chess24 channel where you have guys like Peter Svidler and other GMs analyzing games. The Spanish version is great too, you can find there all the top Spanish speaking players (Dominguez, V…

Agadmator may be "mediocre" (aka still better at chess than anyone I've ever met in person) and his analysis simplistic, but that might actually help him on his mission. Which seems to be to make chess as consumable as a mainstream sport: nearly immediately following a game, he gives you the highlights - just enough so that the game has an exciting narrative, even if the analysis is not extensive.
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