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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by jfoster »

LocalH wrote: post #54

It should be a criminal act to ban someone from your platform without pointing exactly to why they were banned. "Oh but we can't expose details of our ban process for people to game" Bullshit. They just don't want to have to answer to anyone for cutting them off.

> "Oh but we can't expose details of our ban process for people to game" Bullshit.

Exactly. If that were the reason, they should also make the rules of the platform secret, since making the rules public will result in people "gaming" (aka "acting in accordance with") them.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by Mountain_Skies »

lwouis wrote: post #47
throwawayboise wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment has been moderated for racist language ("black boxes").

You kid but i've received 2 pull-requests on my open-source project, which only goal was to replace "Blacklist" with "Blocklist" in the app preferences. I don't receive many PRs. This is a real trend.

"Contributed to [x] open source projects, having 95% of my [y] pull requests accepted" is becoming common on resumes at the younger end of the labor market. This kind of PR is easy to automate and serves to boost those numbers on the resume. They don't even have to care about the issue at all, it can simply be a way to market themselves with little effort.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by god_hates_fags »

ben509 wrote: post #50
lwouis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You kid but i've received 2 pull-requests on my open-source project, which only goal was to replace "Blacklist" with "Blocklist" in the app preferences. I don't receive many PRs. This is a real trend.

A lot of language-fixing slacktivism easily becomes a trend because it's highly visible and requires no genuine effort. It's complete bullshit, though. This particular bullshit is awful since it trivializes all this historic pain to some inane game of word association. There's no point arguing, though, just drag your heels until they get bored and go off on some other crusade.

I had 3 of these people show up in repos I maintain which is surprising since none of those is much popual;r, it would be strange for 1 to appear and is very much not in ordinary for 3. I just vlosed the issues and didn't reply like i would do for any other troll. Because it is basically just low effort troll. There only 1 return more time with more repeat issue but i am simple her block.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by lmilcin »

It gets more ridiculous with every day.

I fully expect people to start developing vocabularies to harden their group communication against these automatons.

Also, please, don't use term "AI". Calling it intelligence is too charitable for something that can't distinguish game of chess from hate speech.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by js2 »

lwouis wrote: post #47
throwawayboise wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment has been moderated for racist language ("black boxes").

You kid but i've received 2 pull-requests on my open-source project, which only goal was to replace "Blacklist" with "Blocklist" in the app preferences. I don't receive many PRs. This is a real trend.

Black list and its opposite, white list, associate black with bad and white with good.

The usage of black in “black box” means opaque, not bad.

So these aren’t the same.

I had never thought about the connotations of blacklist and whitelist before it was pointed out to me. In retrospect, blacklist and whitelist are unnatural meanings of the words black and white, and blocklist and allowlist make much more sense.

Consequently, I changed the code I’m responsible for at my company to use block and allow.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by viraptor »

raarts wrote: post #67

Isn't the biggest structural problem with ML that it can't explain how it came to a specific conclusion? Anyone knowledgeable on this subject?

There's a difference between "we can't tell you exactly why X was classified as it was", and "this phrase was classified as bad". Here, YT knows exactly what triggered the issue and can review the decision.

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by dmingod666 »

waterhouse wrote: post #30
haunter wrote: post #21

inb4 someone will suggest that FIDE should change the color names to be more inclusive + why does white have the first move advantage, why can't black be the first. Perfect breeding soil for just another day of pointless race drama on Twitter

You joke (I think), but given what happened to the "master" branch on GitHub, it seems likely that some people will try to push the point, and, if they make enough noise, it's likely that the organizations involved will eventually cave (not the chess grandmasters (!), but the administrator types). I googled a bit and turned up a couple of news articles: https://apnews.com/article/184386cc09be6c69535919402a13fa3f and…

The github change is brought up by a lot by people, but, all github does here is this. On the default set of commands it shows you if you don't have a repo pushed, it shows you the help command with 'main', instead of 'master'. Just a word change on a default help document, that's it. If you knew your commands you wouldn't even notice this.

If you just make a repo and push your existing code to github, it will work with 'master' as it is.. they actually don't have much of a say in how people name the git branches without severely shooting their whole service in the foot..

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by ttt0 »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #56
ttt0 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what do you do to force them to confirm the reason? That's right, get it to be so high up on HN.

Or get someone big enough that they can ask YouTube on Twitter WTF is going on. Like Markiplier in November 2019. He asked his fans to spam emojis in a livestream. So they did and were banned for spam. Their appeals - which YouTube says are reviewed by actual humans - were denied. It wasn’t until he went to Twitter that the problem was fixed. https://twitter.com/markiplier/status/1193218509804695552

If I remember correctly, it wasn't just YouTube. Because of that people lost their entire Google accounts, including e-mail, drive and whatever else people trust Google with nowadays

That in particular made me go from just not using Google personally and occasionally bitching about their practices to actively discouraging everyone from using anything related to that company

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by arp242 »

DixieDev wrote: post #15
andrewzah wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, what else might it be? Agadmator is just a chess channel. He does breakdowns of chess games and that’s pretty much it.

There are plenty of other chess channels using the words "black" and "white" to describe each side that have yet to be automatically and mysteriously banned. If it were as simple as usage of the word "black" in the various circumstances that might arise during a discussion about chess, surely some of those would have met the same fate, no?

The real problem, IMO, is that we're all left guessing what the reason is. YouTube has a gargantuan task moderating its content, and I don't expect them to be error-free in this: false positives will happen, and that's okay.

But it's the complete lack of transparency, as well as some YouTubers having difficulty getting their accounts restored that's the real issue.

Maybe he used some specific phrase that triggered something? Or maybe he used some words just a tad too often? Or maybe something else? No one seems to know...

Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs

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Post by nostromo »

vecplane wrote: post #49
lwouis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You kid but i've received 2 pull-requests on my open-source project, which only goal was to replace "Blacklist" with "Blocklist" in the app preferences. I don't receive many PRs. This is a real trend.

Political correctness run amok! My company has now official guidelines that discourage 'whitelist' and 'blacklist' in new features, but I wonder how long before they make everyone go back and refactor these names. Git 'master' branch derangement is another example of this BS.

We were told to no longer call free time between meetings “white space.”
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