inb4 someone will suggest that FIDE should change the color names to be more inclusive + why does white have the first move advantage, why can't black be the first. Perfect breeding soil for just another day of pointless race drama on Twitter
YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
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Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
> nebulous black boxes Probably a nitpick, I think you mean "opaque black boxes", you can see things through a nebula.
No, I meant nebulous as in unclear, hazy, or undefined. Nobody knows what the YouTube algorithm is going to decide is inappropriate next. Their site’s wording is very vague and unclear as well. You have youtubers censoring swear words now, and people uploading footage from video games like TF2 have had issues before.
> Nobody knows what the YouTube algorithm is going to decide is inappropriate next.
Then that is the very definition of "opaque", which is what YouTube want and aim for.
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
#23What triggered it white pawn takes black queen
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, I meant nebulous as in unclear, hazy, or undefined. Nobody knows what the YouTube algorithm is going to decide is inappropriate next. Their site’s wording is very vague and unclear as well. You have youtubers censoring swear words now, and people uploading footage from video games like TF2 have had issues before.
> Nobody knows what the YouTube algorithm is going to decide is inappropriate next. Then that is the very definition of "opaque", which is what YouTube want and aim for.
Do we really need to split hairs like this? The algorithms aren't completely opaque, as they have been trained on a set of representative inputs, and are continuously monitored. They are based on neural networks, presumably, with weights inspectable by the engineers deploying the model. So it is more "nebulous" and not completely opaque.
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
#25So, assuming YouTube makes some manual adjustments to their algorithm to not flag/ban chess content, I wonder if actual hate speech will start pretending to be chess content in order to avoid detection.
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#26Not sure what a thinly resourced piece like this is doing so high up on HN. There’s really very little evidence that this has anything to do with racial slurs. From a quick read: last June, the channel was banned for “harmful and dangerous” content. The ban was removed in under 24 hours. YouTube has not confirmed the reason. And yet: > Experts suspect that it was the usage of words like "black" and "white" that confu…
And what do you do to force them to confirm the reason? That's right, get it to be so high up on HN.
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#27We're never going to achieve justice Justice until we ban those ultimate bastions of hate, the English language and Roman alphabet.
Anyone who has ever used these instruments of injustice is tainted.
Oh, wait.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, what else might it be? Agadmator is just a chess channel. He does breakdowns of chess games and that’s pretty much it.
There are plenty of other chess channels using the words "black" and "white" to describe each side that have yet to be automatically and mysteriously banned. If it were as simple as usage of the word "black" in the various circumstances that might arise during a discussion about chess, surely some of those would have met the same fate, no?
You would think so. I can construct many sets of sentences that could appear in an excited chess commentary discussion that would probably run afoul of various automated censorship systems.
...and black steals a pawn from white here.
White springs his trap and white is now crushing black on the back row.
.. and we can see black is completely dominating white's position.
White is getting killed by black here...
.. and black now has white in a complete stranglehold.
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Nobody knows what the YouTube algorithm is going to decide is inappropriate next. Then that is the very definition of "opaque", which is what YouTube want and aim for.
Do we really need to split hairs like this? The algorithms aren't completely opaque, as they have been trained on a set of representative inputs, and are continuously monitored. They are based on neural networks, presumably, with weights inspectable by the engineers deploying the model. So it is more "nebulous" and not completely opaque.
We do, because in terms of writing english black boxes are opaque by their very nature. OP could remove "black boxes" to make the sentence correct.
You can't actually see inside a black box. That's why it's a "black box". Sure you can probe it, but that's not the same as being "nebulous", a thing you can actually see through sometimes. I expect better of HN.
Re: YouTube blocked chess channel after mistaken detection of racial slurs
#30inb4 someone will suggest that FIDE should change the color names to be more inclusive + why does white have the first move advantage, why can't black be the first. Perfect breeding soil for just another day of pointless race drama on Twitter
You joke (I think), but given what happened to the "master" branch on GitHub, it seems likely that some people will try to push the point, and, if they make enough noise, it's likely that the organizations involved will eventually cave (not the chess grandmasters (!), but the administrator types). I googled a bit and turned up a couple of news articles: https://apnews.com/article/184386cc09be6c69535919402a13fa3f and https://au.sports.yahoo.com/chess-centre-stunning-racism-deb...