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Post by P_I_Staker »

bobthepanda wrote: post #603
P_I_Staker wrote: post #446

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> but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex. IDK about that it's the same or slightly better than the rest of corporate America IME. Maybe a bit more lenient, if anything. Industry is "very conservative" because talking about sex can almost instantaneously turn into sexual harassment. So you have to be careful talking about it. Drugs don't have the same liability concerns, if people aren…

The discomfort is considered to be part of the broad topic of ‘consent’. In a similar manner to people consenting to actual sexual actions, you should get consent about talking about sex, because people’s boundaries are all over the place, and you’re almost certainly not going to get informed, free consent in a workplace with power dynamics.

Right, in a way that's what I'm talking about. I still wanted to come up with a separate term for the "feelings", vs. the concept of consent which is designed to prevent people inflicting these feelings on parties against their will. I still don't like my own choice of wording... feels kinda weak, or an understatement

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Post by jshevek »

mathgorges wrote: post #362
hackinthebochs wrote: post #346

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The targets of cancel culture don't always get completely buried, just like attempts at murder don't always succeed. That doesn't mean it wasn't an attempted murder or an attempted cancelling.

Sure, but my point is that the thread author said: > 2. A yoga studio that was so woke they had gender-neutral bathrooms and person-of-color yoga nights where “white friends and allies” were asked to “respectfully refrain from attending” has closed down due to racial accusations. That was a lie. Kindness Yoga didn’t close down. So I’d advise others to take the thread author’s words with a grain of salt.

You make assertions which would require that the author was mistaken, while ungraciously and unfairly accusing them of lying. Posted elsewhere in this thread is evidence suggesting the possiblity that you may, in fact, have been mistaken. Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

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Post by jshevek »

Udik wrote: post #296
leetcrew wrote: post #253

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> A boycott is me saying "buzz feed sux, i won't goto one of t heir urls". Cancelling would be me saying Gina Carano sux, i'm gonna call disney over and over until she gets fired. I guess I'm not sure I see the difference here. complaining about what gina carano says on her twitter is, in a roundabout way, complaining about a disney product. disney didn't fire an actress from one of their popular shows because they g…

> they did it because enough people complained that they saw a potential loss in future revenue See, this is something I highly doubt. Do you think that there is such a large part of Disney public that does give a damn about what Gina Carano says? I don't think so. I want to count the ones who actually stop watching "the Mandalorian" because of Gina Carano's tweets. My bet is that they're so few they'd feel stupid af…

Yes, you are correct. Noting that [not] all cancel efforts are the same, and I'm sure there are edge cases and exceptions, it seems that generally cancel culture efforts often gain momentum when the target shows 'perceived weakness' and often lose momentum when the target makes it very clear they don't care. In the case of corporations like Disney, the very idea of telling people to "fuck off" as you say is anathema to PR culture.

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Post by Bakary »

thu2111 wrote: post #559
nomdep wrote: post #455

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I believe the reason you don't see this kind of parties in tech is because the industry is filled with people who are introverts, not specially groomed/attractive and/or not very good reading social cues.

No, I don't think so. That's a 1980s era explanation. There are people who aren't especially attractive in all industries. Even in Hollywood, look at what Weinstein got up to, and he isn't exactly Adonis reborn. I think the explanation is simpler: music and acting jobs are easy. Lots of people can sing, dance, semi-convincingly repeat lines written for them by other people, or even write scripts. It's just not a very…

Music, acting, and dancing are much, much more difficult than you portray them to be. It's just that the people who are good at it make it look easy. The competition is also extremely fierce and ruthless. There is little demand for most artists.

In tech, there is high demand for even moderately proficient individuals. There are tons of free tools and helpful resources to help you study and improve. If you have access to a computer and the internet you are already in a great position to practice. Being a master is obviously tremendously hard, but it is far from necessary for a good life.

If I had to choose, I would pick tech since there is a greater probability of having a very decent standard of living, and tech workers are generally left alone when it comes to the rest of their lifestyle. They do not need to keep up a personal style and social life that directly feeds into their job prospects. That's why the last point you mentioned is actually in favor of tech being easier.

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Post by Bakary »

pvarangot wrote: post #236
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #91

I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels. Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels. My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties. It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

I worked for the movie industry only for a couple of years and on very technical low-level roles, almost apprentice level. Think data tech or in color grading and only as a side gig. I also frequented movie festivals. Don't take this personally but I think you were at the wrong parties. Good signs to tell if you are "in" or not: do you know how to get illegal drugs on set? have you ever been to a private event in a h…

The appeal of drugs and orgies is perfectly understandable. What I don't get is the appeal of mixing those with work and hierarchical relationships.

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Post by Bakary »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7

what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?

Other people in the thread have cast this vision as puritanical, but in my view the more interesting angle is that its Judaeo-christian aspect has more to do with the sense of expecting punishment. We are trained by the media to have this idea of people eventually paying a psychological price for doing things considered shameful by the majority. In reality, the propensity of people to feel shame sometimes corresponds to that pattern, and sometimes doesn't. It all comes down to the inability to theorize of different minds.

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Post by filoleg »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #527
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #443

It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

> We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abroad again. We never knew what people would come back with but it ranged from "Cinemax" to "Only Legal In Kentucky". Wait, sorry, what? Why were you storing thi…

> Why were you storing this porn, exactly?

Given that the parent comment mentioned that 20 years after the porn storage story happened they ended up working at Tumblr, I assume the original story took place during a time before high-speed internet and porn streaming were a thing.

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Post by mathgorges »

jshevek wrote: post #612
mathgorges wrote: post #362

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Sure, but my point is that the thread author said: > 2. A yoga studio that was so woke they had gender-neutral bathrooms and person-of-color yoga nights where “white friends and allies” were asked to “respectfully refrain from attending” has closed down due to racial accusations. That was a lie. Kindness Yoga didn’t close down. So I’d advise others to take the thread author’s words with a grain of salt.

You make assertions which would require that the author was mistaken, while ungraciously and unfairly accusing them of lying . Posted elsewhere in this thread is evidence suggesting the possiblity that you may, in fact, have been mistaken. Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

You can schedule a class on their website *today*.

I'll grant that it's more likely a mistake than an outright lie.

I'd still recommend that you read what the thread author says with a grain of salt as they aren't corroborating the claims they're repeating.

If you dig into the sourcing if the Colorado Sun's article, it cites an Instagram post[1] as evidence the business is closing, but the post says no such thing.

[1]: https://www.instagram.com/p/CBotnpslXVj/

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Post by baby »

giantDinosaur wrote: post #494
baby wrote: post #321

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That’s what I was telling a friend who’s against social media the other day. Without social media there would be no gay marriage. Social medias amplify minority issues.

That's a somewhat odd statement. Gay marriage was legalised in several countries before the advent of what we consider social media (Facebook etc.) - and a lot of other social change happened well before computers were even a thing, let alone instantaneous communication. Can you expand on what you mean?

My theory is that social changes happen when things get really bad for enough people, so minorities are often excluded or it takes a lot of time for them to get their voice heard/change to happen.

Do you have a source on a country that legalized gay marriage without social networks? I’m not saying it can’t happen but that would put a dent in my theory. I think Taiwan had it happen before FB but they have what I would consider social networks before we did.

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Post by jshevek »

mathgorges wrote: post #618
jshevek wrote: post #612

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You make assertions which would require that the author was mistaken, while ungraciously and unfairly accusing them of lying . Posted elsewhere in this thread is evidence suggesting the possiblity that you may, in fact, have been mistaken. Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

You can schedule a class on their website *today*. I'll grant that it's more likely a mistake than an outright lie. I'd still recommend that you read what the thread author says with a grain of salt as they aren't corroborating the claims they're repeating. If you dig into the sourcing if the Colorado Sun's article, it cites an Instagram post[1] as evidence the business is closing, but the post says no such thing. [1…

> If you dig into the sourcing if the Colorado Sun's article, it cites an Instagram post[1] as evidence the business is closing, but the post says no such thing

In that post, they announced that they will be closing, with the proximal cause being a surge of cancelations immediately after the accusations. I cannot copy paste the text as its within the images.

Edit: "...I have decided to close Kindness Yoga." Previous slide uses vague, passive, avoidant language to reference the accusations.

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