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It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

> spoke like John Moschitta imitating yoda

Thanks for this

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Sex is currency in music industry. Music is currency in drug industry. Drugs are currency in sex industry. The three really do go well together.

What I think is most likely is that many other favors are currency in the music industry. It's simply that enough people are so obsessed with sex that they find it worth writing about that sex is too. It would not surprise me at all if it can be generalized to “ People in showbusiness play favors to advance their career. ”. Showbusiness is uniquely qualified for such gamesmanship, because quality is entirely subjecti…

Quality is subjective is part of it, but popularity has a positive feedback loop with exposure.

If you think I can help you get the initial exposure, I have a lot of power.

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He still raped a 13 year old. Why is anyone trying to defend or excuse his behavior? I don't care if Jesus came back from the dead and forgave him, it's still not OK.

May I also add it's very common for victims of this type of abuse to make statements like that, particularly if they are abused as children. A sort of Stockholm syndrome takes hold and they begin to empathize with their rapist and feel bad that they face punishment for their crimes. Don't take that statement as a report on his innocence but rather a compliment to his well practiced grooming skills, if anything its ev…

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> before naked shorting was illegal It might be illegal now, but certainly not enforced!

Yes it is. It took me less than 5 seconds to Google and find cases of it being enforced: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2014-20 The attitude of "they don't catch every criminal, therefore it isn't being enforced" that people take towards financial crimes is silly. 40% of murderers get away with it but no one goes around trying to claim that "murder but by illegal but it certainly isn't enforced". Over 60% of…

> 40% of murderers get away with it but no one goes around trying to claim that "murder but by illegal but it certainly isn't enforced".

Well, maybe not murder in general, but there is certainly a point where the prohibition is seen as theoretical. Consider BLM.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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I worked for the movie industry only for a couple of years and on very technical low-level roles, almost apprentice level. Think data tech or in color grading and only as a side gig. I also frequented movie festivals. Don't take this personally but I think you were at the wrong parties. Good signs to tell if you are "in" or not: do you know how to get illegal drugs on set? have you ever been to a private event in a h…

I worked in tech companies, this is why I was mentioning how this is different between companies and organizations.

I believe the reason you don't see this kind of parties in tech is because the industry is filled with people who are introverts, not specially groomed/attractive and/or not very good reading social cues.

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But it's interesting. Do we like artists due to marketing only ? Or seducing feature over artistic quality. A small but gifted artist on Spotify could, in theory (in theory), generate word of mouth at quickly get known. Sometimes I believe that labels were filters for that. They could see who was just very good and who had some 'it factor'.

Discoverability. There is more new music uploaded to Spotify every day than I could listen to in a year[0]. How do I discover the new stuff I like? Spotify does a terrible job of recommending new music to me - mostly my "Discover Weekly" is a mixtape of my existing playlists, and "Release Radar" is entirely stuff I hate. I'm not sure how a new band would reach me, but it's not via the methods they're trying now. I ha…

Soundcloud used to have pretty great discoverability but people started, in my opinion, the repost feature and you ended up with the same song recommended over and over again. Their genre recommendations were also pretty tight. All of my experience was from about 5+ years ago.

By far the best discovery I've seen was on What.CD, RIP. The similar artists web they had on ever artist page was extremely tight. I tried a few months ago to find the old What.cd data to look into it but wasn't able to find it in a couple minutes of googling.

Look into Last.fm. They do a pretty decent job of recommending similar artists but its more of a what you played tracker than true music discovery.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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> before naked shorting was illegal It might be illegal now, but certainly not enforced!

Yes it is. It took me less than 5 seconds to Google and find cases of it being enforced: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2014-20 The attitude of "they don't catch every criminal, therefore it isn't being enforced" that people take towards financial crimes is silly. 40% of murderers get away with it but no one goes around trying to claim that "murder but by illegal but it certainly isn't enforced". Over 60% of…

Refer to "Practices Related to Naked Short Selling Complaints and Referrals" by the Office of the Inspector General: https://www.sec.gov/files/450.pdf

> Our audit disclosed that despite the tremendous amount of attention the practice of naked short selling has generated in recent years, Enforcement has brought very few enforcement actions based on conduct involving abusive or manipulative naked short selling.

> Of approximately 5,000 naked short selling complaints received in the ECC between January 1, 2007 and June 1, 2008, only 123 (approximately 2.5 percent) were forwarded for further investigation.

I guarantee that more 2.5% of murders are investigated. Reg SHO violations remain massively under-investigated still today, to the extent that the SEC is well aware of simple ways to bypass: https://www.sec.gov/about/offices/ocie/options-trading-risk-...

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Roman Polanski won an Oscar after pleading guilty to drugging and raping a 13 year old girl. Look at all these vile people applauding this villain, who couldn't accept his Oscar because he fled the country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXnNOBj26lk In some ways I think we may have over responded (Aziz Ansari is not Harvey Weinstein), but it was shocking what behavior people were excusing from the powerful even in r…

Whenever discussing Polanski's late career and the acclaim or scorn he has received, it must be mentioned that the girl in question has (later, when she grew up) expressed that she does not wish that Polanski be prosecuted or further punished by the industry.

> the girl in question has (later, when she grew up) expressed that she does not wish that Polanski be prosecuted or further punished by the industry.

I think Samantha Geimer has been doubly victimised – first by Polanski, then by a legal system which cares more about itself than about the interests and wishes of the victims it is supposed to protect.

I think Geimer feels, that as Polanski's victim, she should have some say – some power over – what happens to Polanski. But society doesn't want to give her that power. Polanski made her powerless then, and the system makes her powerless now. And when she complains about the system making her powerless, people misinterpret that as either some defence of what Polanski did to her (which she doesn't agree with and wishes never happened), or start (horribly unfairly and cruelly) dismissing what she has to say as the result of "Stockholm syndrome" or "grooming".

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/18/samantha-geimer...

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?

Maybe a lot of these people can look themselves in the mirror. After all, its just drugs and sex. There's no reason for these things to be sacred cows outside of what society tries to program us to believe.

It’s not about the sex and drugs but rather about controlling and abusing people.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

This just made my top 5 "WTF" moments of working in Tech.

Thank you for this - I thought I was the only who experienced these types of madness at some of the smaller companies I worked at.

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