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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?

Maybe a lot of these people can look themselves in the mirror. After all, its just drugs and sex.

There's no reason for these things to be sacred cows outside of what society tries to program us to believe.

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what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?

Why do you think so many celebs face drug addiction? They're being exploited, often have to compromise their morals, and drugs are a coping mechanism. Institutions of power are masters of controlling people. It's almost scientific.

I also really like this Gaga interview referencing Amy Winehouse

"You can't have it both ways; You can't enjoy listening to somebody singing sad songs about the blues and heartbreak and then not expect them to be truly heartbroken."

A lot of artists already struggle with mental health and addiction issues and that is why their music is powerful and propels their success.

Amy Winehouse is one of my favorite artists. Watch Amy for an amazing, sad, portrait that shows her existing struggles which were amplified to the extreme by our treatment and ridicule of her.

Mac Miller is another example that comes to mind, his last few albums in particular are lyrically intense and personal and candid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddRN5lYMTJY

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abroad again. We never knew what people would come back with but it ranged from "Cinemax" to "Only Legal In Kentucky".

Another guy came back from Switzerland and the bank had to put him in a hotel for three weeks because the night before he left he met a lady at a bar and she left fingernail marks all over his back - no way he could hide it from his wife and he knew he would get divorced if she found out.

At the same bank we had this German trust fund kid who had a $400k a month cocaine habit - Dr. Rockso had nothing on this guy. The bank sent him to rehab for six months and when he came back it was really eerie because I'd never seen him stand still for more then 200ms - he had always bounced around like a humming bird and spoke like John Moschitta imitating yoda.

Fast forward twenty years to my time at Tumblr where people office sexing damaged a half dozen window stools, several chairs, and there was a very nice grey couch they had to throw out due to all the "mysterious" stains. You really didn't trust any flat surface there.

They tried to set up an office bar but gave up after two nights when someone drank the entire inventory of liquor each night.

Tumblr had a lot of LGBTQ "diversity hires". One guy would show up at company-wide meetings and use all of the gay porn blogs to demonstrate the latest features he had been working on. Another guy would strut around the office in a zz-top beard and a french maid outfit w/ fishnet pantyhose and heels. There was a group of transitioning guys who would hang out by my desk and discuss their urine fetish - though they stopped doing that after I challenged them all to a "b_lls-out" coding contest knowing they were no longer equipped.

After all that I think I'm ready if I ever get that dream SRE job at PornHub. O Canada! Our home and native land!...

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It's hard to imagine this is only the music industry. Human use sex as a weapon and a tool all the time. True, it might be more useful in the music industry but why would sex as currency only exist there? Where there are humans, there is sex. The obviousness of how that plays out may differ but the underlying theme is universal.

Surely not an isolated incident, but music is one of the more homogenous industries out there.

All top country music stars move in the same circles, or highly overlapping circles, for example.

However, if you told me you were a top iOS developer in the tech industry, that gives me zero information about the circles you move in. You also have a long list of unrelated tech companies to choose from. You're not beholden to any one group of people for anything.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

I see the tradition of SAP, Oracle, and the big consulting firms from the days of yore is still going strong.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked in tech companies, this is why I was mentioning how this is different between companies and organizations.

Oh sorry I thought you were talking about roles on the entertainment industry. I also work in tech and worked in tech most of my life and even talking about this stuff in certain circles can get you fired. Not so much about the drugs thing, but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex.

> but for for reason the tech industry is very conservative regarding sex.

IDK about that it's the same or slightly better than the rest of corporate America IME. Maybe a bit more lenient, if anything.

Industry is "very conservative" because talking about sex can almost instantaneously turn into sexual harassment. So you have to be careful talking about it. Drugs don't have the same liability concerns, if people aren't obviously loaded on the job.

I'm talking about frivolous lawsuits as well as legitimate grievances. People have a right not to deal with sexual discomfort (I don't have a better name for this concept - the uncomfortable feelings people have when talking about sex). Some people are very very uncomfortable talking about sex for various reasons. You can't even mention it without toing this line, or potentially crossing it.

I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the tech industry being conservative on sex. I've met so many very openly LGBTQ in software. It definitely feels more common than elsewhere, especially with these corporate jobs.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

> After all that I think I'm ready if I ever get that dream SRE job at PornHub. O Canada!

You know what they say about not letting your dreams just be dreams: https://www.mindgeek.com/careers/?gh_jid=4564518002

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped due to refusing debasing their core values. I have a feeling that only those ready to overcome any such hurdles have the grit to pursue a stage life, but I can be wrong.

It's still pay to win with middlemen controlling what's going to hit millions of ears. Now there's like a wild card, where a few people "go viral".

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It makes perfect sense. Music industry is a economics of superstars. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1803469 Very few stars get huge profits and after that it's long slim tail. Talent or high work ethic is not enough for success, "getting discovered" aka someone likes you and invests the initial money and effort is another factor. If personal effort is not enough and the artist has nothing else, selling your ass for an…

Your argument doesn't make sense at all. You don't invest in an idea or people if you don't believe you can profit.

You do if you call it "patronage" rather than "investment".

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The big question is will internet free the good artists that were gatekeeped I don't think so. What they need the most is publicity, and this is not magically granted by internet. Just take a look at e.g. Spotify; I'm sure there are hundreds of extremely gifted artists sitting down at barely a few dozens listenings, just because no one found them.

But it's interesting. Do we like artists due to marketing only ? Or seducing feature over artistic quality. A small but gifted artist on Spotify could, in theory (in theory), generate word of mouth at quickly get known. Sometimes I believe that labels were filters for that. They could see who was just very good and who had some 'it factor'.

No, good marketers also pick good artists. You can't polish a turd. However most of the products we like are only so popular because of marketing. So in a way the answer is yes?
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