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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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I hope Epic loses in a spectacular way. At this point, if Apple is forced to allow third parties, I'll lose one of the best time savers I have in my life. Having switched all of my family and close relatives to Apple gives me the freedom of not having to provide almost any support. They are trained to use the platform (and its UI has been stable for years), and I can trust that they won't do anything too crazy just b…

umm, just use the Apple App store then... and let others have a choice

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>How you can argue for less software freedoms, while paying a 30% tax for any app you distribute, is honestly mind boggling to me. Why do you care what my preferences are? If you don't care for the iOS model, you should go buy an Android. Apple doesn't have a monopoly. I prefer the Apple model because I want these restrictions. I want apps to be blocked from cross-app tracking. I want apps to have to explicitly spell…

Back when Android had very strict permission controls I think this argument was quite valid since there was a market competitor without a locked down store but with a similar level of control. Control of the phone can't only be achieved by curating a store - it can also be achieved by allowing clear user controls and a phone without the locked down store but with the controls doesn't exist... So I can't go anywhere.

I'll quote another guy from this thread:

"I like that TrueCaller on my iOS device works for most features without getting any permission from me, while on Android it refuses to buzz from the splash screen unless you give it every permission - including full contact access and phone.

I like that on iOS a famous payment app from India (PhonePe) works flawlessly with zero permissions but on Android? It needs both location and contacts to even function - neither of these are mandatory for their functioning but still they do and can get away with that.

You know WhatsApp doesn't let you use "Status" feature unless you provide Storage permission to it on Android (I doubt they need it just to shows those images, videos, and texts)."

I think it's important to note that the mere existence of controls, i.e buttons that do a thing, don't actually end up achieving their goal of improving user privacy unless there's also enforcement of usage patterns. You can't get away with stuff like this on iOS, and it's clear by these accounts that the same companies would do the same on iOS if they could.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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yeah! don’t they remember the glory days and freedom of choice to wait in a virtual line on GameSpy to download the bandwidth limited patch from version 1.4 to 1.5 only to realize they’re on 1.2 and there is no delta patch from 1.2 to 1.4 so they can either try again with the full upgrade for 1.x to 1.5 which is about 10x the download size or they can get each incremental patch from 1.2 to 1.3 to 1.4 to 1.5? come on.…

I would argue that removing the App Store as a single point of failure for free speech [1][2] would be a pretty big benefit. [1] https://torrentfreak.com/apple-bans-vpns-from-app-store-in-c... [2] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/meghara/pakistan-forced...

How the hell do you get from "App Store" to "Freedom of Speech"?

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

I feel it's this very nature that made it impossible for Web apps to become mainstream on mobile. Steve jobs made so many bullshit arguments against Flash because he knew if flash was allowed on mobile nobody would purchase games from app store.

Now the same shit is happening for web apis / pwa. This is really sad and really makes me hate Apple as a company.

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I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lates…

> I can hardly wait to use Amazon App Store to install Amazon and then open up the Epic Game Store to install random game and then open up EA Game Store to install random game and then open up Facebook App Store to install Facebook and then open up the Apple App Store to install the Blizzard App Store to install Hearthstone and then go back to the Apple App Store and update the Blizzard App Store so I can get the lat…

>This is how life is as a PC gamer and it's.... actually good.

Are you kidding? Because it just takes a look at how bad the EA store is to realize it sucks.

Yeah, you don't use it, but you know who does? every single person playing Sims. You'd be amazed how many "Why does the Sims 4 doesn't work anymore on my mac?" calls I've got...

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Please see my reply on your sibling post.

Once again: how do you imagine the imaginary free market works?

How do you imagine the real world works? Even in the very text written by Adam Smith he says that free market only works in a regulated environment. Because once a few gets big enough, they can control the whole market.

Why do you think Microsoft failed even with the tremendous amount of money they poured into and even with having an arguibly great UX?

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Sideloading is Android terminology, isn't it? What does that have to do with Apple?

Nothing, this is a religious crusade, and facts don’t matter. Apple needs to be tarred and feathered for its sins of taking a different path to the rest of the industry.

Nintendo did it back in the 80s. Court should have shot that down right then and there.

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It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

> No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other stores from competing. The iPhone is not a computer platform, it's an integrated experience. Raspberry Pi or the PC you assemble is a platform (which you can still choose to do, if you want).

> The iPhone is not a computer platform, it's an integrated experience.

Sorry, but this is bulls*t.

The iPhone has, what? A few million applications from third parties? It's a platform.

Use the iPhone with 0 (ZERO!) third party applications for 1 year and then get back to me ;-)

Actually, even if you somehow manage to do it, that's not even the point. The AppStore makes something like $60bn per year. iOS is a platform.

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This is one hell of a peak capitalism comment - I already payed tons of money for the richest company in the world, no way I'm bothered them getting that another 30% cut.

Look through my comments and you'll find I'm not some "the free market will magically solve all our problems" ideologue. Monopolies / monopsonies are a thing, and both workers and consumers need to be protected from them. Your attitude would make sense if there were no other smartphones around, and it was "buy an iPhone or go without". But there are plenty of good smartphones with alternate business models. If you do…

Because it's duopoly, there are no other options. You're free not to use alternative stores or so-called sideloading.

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> I would trust Netflix. Other companies? Not so much. Missing the point. Sure, many users will trust the Netflix app, but we only need one trustworthy app (like Netflix) to open the gate for all other kinds of untrustworthy apps to also skip the check.

How so? Android is still asking every single time you install a non market app, spooky enough that nether my mum nor my gf consider clicking proceed without asking someone if they should.

> How so? Android is still asking every single time you install a non market app, spooky enough that nether my mum nor my gf consider clicking proceed without asking someone if they should.

Android has only been asking once per source, not per app, for a while. Also, the messages aren't that scary. Folks haphazardly click OK in Windows without reading messages; you can be sure they do the same on a phone.

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