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Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by kaba0 »

dmitriid wrote: post #723
kaba0 wrote: post #689

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That’s the thing, there is no such phone. And frankly, there will not be more mobile platforms because even the current two is already much for companies to develop for. Free market doesn’t work that way. Linux phones might rise, but only if they gain a good android compat layer.

> And frankly, there will not be more mobile platforms because even the current two is already much for companies to develop for. Free market doesn’t work that way. How do you imagine free market works? No companies magically capture the midshare of most users? No companies have anough money/resources to corner the market? Literally nothing prevents any of the current players in the "non-free market" to develop their…

Please see my reply on your sibling post.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by snowwrestler »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #721
elefanten wrote: post #695

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Except as soon as it becomes a remotely feasible action (with simple instructions) for the general consumer, a bunch of businesses will start requiring their users to disable "default Grandma mode". Imagine onboarding for Netflix including a pleasantly designed screen saying "Before you can use Netflix, you must Enable Third-party Stores. Go to Settings > Privacy..." If that comes to pass, there will be no highly-gua…

> as soon as it becomes a remotely feasible action (with simple instructions) for the general consumer, a bunch of businesses will start requiring their users to disable "default Grandma mode" Zero chance Facebook doesn't do this with Instagram. Zero chance large employers don't do this with their surveillance software.

Facebook already got caught doing this. Apple revoked their enterprise cert and all their internal iOS tools stopped working.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/01/facebook-and-google-...

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

suifbwish wrote: post #662
aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

The thing is if I wanted or cared about that I would get one of those phones. The consumer gets to decide which phone they use and one of the reasons I like the iPhone is actually the difficulty in adding 3rd party crapware. If I needed a phone that I can install stuff on from unverified markets I would get an android and do it completely separately from my iPhone. I like that Apple is an appliance that is what it’s…

Would you care if they took the same approach for your laptop?

I find it hard to ignore that the future of Apple is iOS and MacOS is eventually going to be deprecated. Imagine if you were an Apple exec living and breathing Apple for the past 10 years, surely the OS that you don't get a cut of all app sales on and makes up a fraction of the more profitable OS will feel like the odd one out and the wrong way to do things.

Us, being HN posters obviously find such a statement absurd but imagine you're that Apple exec looking at the charts of how many users are fine with the iOS model, how much more money you make from the iOS model. How could you look at that day in and day out and justify the existence of a legacy OS with legacy ideas like being able to install outside a store like MacOS. Improved privacy/security for users within the store model is the icing on the cake to justify it.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by 908B64B197 »

elefanten wrote: post #695
Dma54rhs wrote: post #677

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It's depressing that even on hackernews where you expect people want to tinker and have control over their machines there's a probably a majority who are happy with the situation and use the think of my grandma (aka children) using iPhone situation. There could be numerous ways for Apple to let people run their own software or other stores without giving your grandma malware.

Except as soon as it becomes a remotely feasible action (with simple instructions) for the general consumer, a bunch of businesses will start requiring their users to disable "default Grandma mode". Imagine onboarding for Netflix including a pleasantly designed screen saying "Before you can use Netflix, you must Enable Third-party Stores. Go to Settings > Privacy..." If that comes to pass, there will be no highly-gua…

I would trust Netflix. Other companies? Not so much.

The App Store (and reduced API surface) was a true revolution for the customer. Remember every app installer requiring admin privilege on Windows and creating it's service that runs at startup checking for updates, littering the registry and sometimes installing drivers?

All gone from the App Store. If the app maker doesn't like it he can go target another platform.

Even on Android, the amount of useless software side loaded by the manufacturer is mind boggling.

Re: Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint

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Post by setpatchaddress »

thereddaikon wrote: post #658
aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

The fact that you called it sideloading just shows how successful Apple has been in warping people's perception of it over the years. Installing the software you want on your compute device isn't sideloading. Its just installing software. Apple is aberration here not all of the users who just expect to actually own the products they buy.

Sideloading is Android terminology, isn't it? What does that have to do with Apple?

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Post by cmdli »

ahiknsr wrote: post #728
elefanten wrote: post #695

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except as soon as it becomes a remotely feasible action (with simple instructions) for the general consumer, a bunch of businesses will start requiring their users to disable "default Grandma mode". Imagine onboarding for Netflix including a pleasantly designed screen saying "Before you can use Netflix, you must Enable Third-party Stores. Go to Settings > Privacy..." If that comes to pass, there will be no highly-gua…

>Except as soon as it becomes a remotely feasible action (with simple instructions) for the general consumer, a bunch of businesses will start requiring their users to disable "default Grandma mode". Android already allows side-loading and i don't think any popular app out there is asking users to enable side-loading to install their app. Why do you think the situation would be any different with iOS app store?

To be fair, Fortnite did try to get their players to use sideloading to get around the 30% cut Google took. With Apple's more aggresive consumer protection stance, it wouldn't be surprising for more companies to take that step.

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Post by hacknat »

isodev wrote: post #153
aboringusername wrote: post #11

It feels a bit hypocritical when Apple laughs at FB for complaining about their new tracking pop-up yet when the shoe's on the other foot and Apple may actually have to compete on its own platform they double down and defend their right to be judge, jury and executioner. Apple competing with third party app stores on iOS is going to be amazing. No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other st…

> No computer platform should be allowed to prevent sideloading or other stores from competing. The iPhone is not a computer platform, it's an integrated experience. Raspberry Pi or the PC you assemble is a platform (which you can still choose to do, if you want).

Sure, from and individual perspective. What if I want to build software for people who use the iPhone and I want to add some web3 functionality and Apple says no? Apple basically does stifle innovation on their device by acting as a regulatory agency for their users. Even MSFT didn't do that. Basically every iPhone user is on a closed system that one company controls from end-to-end. That's a type of market power that we haven't seen since maybe the railroads were controlled by 3 people.
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