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Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by thu2111 »

foldr wrote: post #558
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #443

It depends on the company. I worked at a large international bank where we had a couple dozen project managers that would travel abroad for 2-6 weeks at a time. We had server set up in a storage closet with a huge porn cache. When the project managers came back to the US we would copy all the porn they had collected to the server, replace the porn on their laptops with new porn from the cache, then send them back abr…

>Tumblr had a lot of LGBTQ "diversity hires" Out of curiosity, what is your basis for thinking that they were hired only for being LGBTQ? As a gay man I wonder how I can avoid my colleagues thinking this. (It sounds like it's not just the gay folks who were engaged in inappropriately sexual behavior, so it can't be that.)

That happens at any company that's sufficiently devoted to SJW principles. Though it's usually about women rather than gays as obviously the question of orientation can't usually be brought up at interview time.

I thought everyone working in tech knew this happened. If you doubt it, a simple check of the Tumblr jobs page should make their policy clear:

https://www.tumblr.com/jobs

"Now, billions of posts later, we continue to build out Tumblr as a platform for diverse communities to express their points of view. And we’re committed to hiring a workforce that represents the same diversity."

A company committed to hiring a workforce that represents "diversity" will have a lot of "diversity hires", as it's literally their stated policy.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by foldr »

thu2111 wrote: post #561
foldr wrote: post #558

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tumblr had a lot of LGBTQ "diversity hires" Out of curiosity, what is your basis for thinking that they were hired only for being LGBTQ? As a gay man I wonder how I can avoid my colleagues thinking this. (It sounds like it's not just the gay folks who were engaged in inappropriately sexual behavior, so it can't be that.)

That happens at any company that's sufficiently devoted to SJW principles. Though it's usually about women rather than gays as obviously the question of orientation can't usually be brought up at interview time. I thought everyone working in tech knew this happened. If you doubt it, a simple check of the Tumblr jobs page should make their policy clear: https://www.tumblr.com/jobs "Now, billions of posts later, we con…

I'm aware that a lot of people think that "SJWs" have taken over tech companies and are forcing them to hire certain groups of people. I was sort of banking on the OP not being one of these people and getting a different kind of answer.

I doubt we can have a productive discussion of what you've posted that won't descend into a flame war that's been had a thousand times before.

The phrase 'diversity hire' is usually used prejoritatively to hint that the person in question is not really qualified for their job. If the OP simply meant to say that tumblr was quite successful at hiring a diverse range of people, then I think it was a slightly off choice of wording.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by thu2111 »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #502
jandrese wrote: post #303

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Power corrupts. If you want to find industries with sexual abuse problems look for ones where the power is concentrated in a handful of unelected people, doubly so if those people form an "old boys club".

Power doesn't corrupt. Power enables. People corrupt themselves. Otherwise agreed.

That's a fascinating alternative take I haven't seen before. Thanks - will remember this.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by pitt1980 »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #7

what interests me is: how do people maintain their integrity in such a foul environment? I mean if you can't look yourself in the mirror then how do you keep on creating anything?

Another thought,

How much of the content you consume comes out of this environment?

Are you letting that content set what you imagine is normal behavior?

As a society, what role does the entertainment industry play in setting behavioral norms?

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

mike_d wrote: post #436
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #91

I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels. Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels. My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties. It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

It really depends on if you are the person who can sign a contract or influence a vendor decision.

It probably depends where.

I was signing contracts or giving GO/NOGO for others (as customers of vendors, very large contracts) and I was getting invitations to dinners, sport events or "company walk-though" in interesting places (that I never took because this the way I work). These were "normal" sales invitations, no hidden agenda.

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Post by teraku »

agumonkey wrote: post #553
teraku wrote: post #541

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In German we distinguish between 'Interpret' (the one interpreting or performing an art) and the 'Künstler' (artist). I think this explains it very well: Most of the popular 'Interpreten' are not famous for their exquisite music, but for who they are, as a brand, and how they perform in public and on stage. The movie Yesterday is such a farce because it suggest The Beatles songs are super successful no matter who per…

> Künstler reminds me of Gunnm / Battle Alita Angel, where the author coined the term panzerkunst as a martial art name.. first time I read about the real life term. slight anecdote: some people really do have a glow that we can feel but not really explain, something electric and immediate, that will either catch an audience or even stop the air in the room. I don't go to concert often but the few time it happened I…

Japanese people love German words. Panzerkunst just meaning tank art.

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Post by string »

foldr wrote: post #562
thu2111 wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happens at any company that's sufficiently devoted to SJW principles. Though it's usually about women rather than gays as obviously the question of orientation can't usually be brought up at interview time. I thought everyone working in tech knew this happened. If you doubt it, a simple check of the Tumblr jobs page should make their policy clear: https://www.tumblr.com/jobs "Now, billions of posts later, we con…

I'm aware that a lot of people think that "SJWs" have taken over tech companies and are forcing them to hire certain groups of people. I was sort of banking on the OP not being one of these people and getting a different kind of answer. I doubt we can have a productive discussion of what you've posted that won't descend into a flame war that's been had a thousand times before. The phrase 'diversity hire' is usually u…

Out of interest, why did you want a different answer? Do you think "diversity hires" don't exist? Whether they do or don't, it doesn't have any bearing on the "diverse" people being hired on the basis of their technical or professional abilities.

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Post by foldr »

string wrote: post #567
foldr wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware that a lot of people think that "SJWs" have taken over tech companies and are forcing them to hire certain groups of people. I was sort of banking on the OP not being one of these people and getting a different kind of answer. I doubt we can have a productive discussion of what you've posted that won't descend into a flame war that's been had a thousand times before. The phrase 'diversity hire' is usually u…

Out of interest, why did you want a different answer? Do you think "diversity hires" don't exist? Whether they do or don't, it doesn't have any bearing on the "diverse" people being hired on the basis of their technical or professional abilities.

My question was why the OP thought that these particular people are diversity hires. And as I said, the phrase 'diversity hire' is usually used to cast aspersions on people's abilities (though it is possible that the OP didn't want to do this and just made a questionable wording choice).

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Post by mam2 »

beckman466 wrote: post #114
mam2 wrote: post #94

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> Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse and misogyny. It scares me that people say this stuff publicly. The point is that for 2 girls complaining about abuse, in this industry there are 100 who perfectly know what they are doing and happy to play the sexual favor game. The only part where you are right is that i…

> in this industry there are 100 who perfectly know what they are doing and happy to play the sexual favor game. Do they 'know', or have they just come to accept this level of violence and danger becuase of their gender? > The only part where you are right is that it should be made more public, so that "innocent" (not like amber heard) girls would not get so surprised then. Ah jeez, speculating about Amber's innocenc…

I can tell from personal experience and direct account that SOME girls are happy and proud at having sex with powerful or famous people, and that if it would lead to advantages in their life if would only be better for them because SOME people love the feeling of cheating at life somehow.

Everyone knows now that Amber Heard was physically abusive and literally said in a recording that "No one would believe your complaints since you are a man". Talking about girl privilege...

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Post by krageon »

jariel wrote: post #540
diob wrote: post #280

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This is why I don't understand the massive cultural obsession over KPOP. It's one of the grossest abusive industries, and anyone who wants to know is able to do a simple google to find out. Those fans? They could use their collective economic impact to help those folks they "love". Instead they just let them get used and abused for their fantasy.

I don't think KPop artists are sex slaves, though? Rather, it's a really rough, possibly exploitative gig. They are just like models, but they also sing and dance. The Music Industry and Hollywood though, they will protect themselves. We hear more about someone being cancelled for the slightest Tweet than for example Bryan Singer's decades long rapey escapades. Corey Feldman was literally mocked in public for suggest…

> They are just like models

It is a little ironic that you say they're not required to give sexual favours and say right after that they're just like models, another industry where that is very very common.

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