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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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But it's interesting. Do we like artists due to marketing only ? Or seducing feature over artistic quality. A small but gifted artist on Spotify could, in theory (in theory), generate word of mouth at quickly get known. Sometimes I believe that labels were filters for that. They could see who was just very good and who had some 'it factor'.

Discoverability. There is more new music uploaded to Spotify every day than I could listen to in a year[0]. How do I discover the new stuff I like? Spotify does a terrible job of recommending new music to me - mostly my "Discover Weekly" is a mixtape of my existing playlists, and "Release Radar" is entirely stuff I hate. I'm not sure how a new band would reach me, but it's not via the methods they're trying now. I ha…

A Pandora station based on other bands I like seems to work reasonably well for finding new music. Most are still terrible but it finds a good one often enough.

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how is it possible to have a 400k per month cocaine habit? was he giving it to his 100 closest friends every day?

You would be surprised at how quickly tolerance builds up once someone gets ahold of the good stuff. Considering that this guy is in Berlin, it's probably not as cheap as it is close to the source. Even so, at $300 an eight ball, that's roughly 44 eight balls a day, or roughly 2-4 an hour depending on how hard he's partying. It certainly is on the heavier side of usage profiles I've heard of.

No single person is doing 11oz of cocaine per day.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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But it's interesting. Do we like artists due to marketing only ? Or seducing feature over artistic quality. A small but gifted artist on Spotify could, in theory (in theory), generate word of mouth at quickly get known. Sometimes I believe that labels were filters for that. They could see who was just very good and who had some 'it factor'.

The problem is there are more great artists with the potential than the world needs. Only one artist can be number one for the week in any given week, and the artist who holds that often does for several weeks (and often they get a second hit). People like a small amount of change in life, which means they listen to a few artists, then change to a different one. Then they grow up/old and review that set of artists fo…

> I don't have time to listen to all the great music in the world.

The problem is that the filters you describe are so narrow that certain genres of music don't get adequately explored, and some genres don't exist at all. In broad terms that's bound to happen, but the missing and under-served genres are so obvious that the filters are clearly limiting the maximum amount of musical enjoyment and meaning that's available to the average listener.

For a dead simple example-- Bach and Beethoven were known as the greatest improvisers in their eras. So where is the Grammy winning album of someone improvising a set of their own variations in the style of Beethoven? Who is the Michael Jordan of improvising a set of 30 new variations atop the bassline of the Goldberg variations?

Don't get me wrong-- there are people who can improvise perfectly well in those styles. But there's no industrial incentive to push those artists to release something truly transcendent-- e.g., something that reveals for a general audience something new about music in the time of Bach's, who makes it fresh, and who redefines what improvisation can be. There's no period improviser so single-minded and driven that an audience of tens of millions would spend lock-down watching a 10-part miniseries on the making of such an album.

Another one, off the top of my head-- what's the version of math rock where there's no common subdivision shared by each line? Computers make this effortless to write, but AFAICT that genre doesn't exist. For just a simple example, Steve Reich's Phasing exists as a prototype-- it shows that there's a compelling perceptual basis for presenting the same melody at tempos that are very close to one another.

There are many other examples, and the filter you refer to means you've never, ever heard them.

So growing old and getting set in a desire for nostalgic music isn't so much a natural law of musical desires as it is the result of creating "The Matrix" for music in the age of the internet by locking your ears into the same old payola scheme from the before times. (I guess the "heat" captured from your attention is to fuel the machine world of the filters... :)

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Any time you have an industry where the number of people who want to do the work vastly outstrips demand and where there are gatekeepers, you are going to get a culture of abuse. It comes in various forms: sexual or other inappropriate favors for advancement, verbal abuse, or just abusive working conditions like sweatshop hours and burnout culture.

Yes. I have heard of sexual favours being provided by a trainee to get into a (highly sought after) Dermatology training program.

Another way to put it is that anyone who can be exploited will be exploited. The differences are only in frequency and visiblity.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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I believe the reason you don't see this kind of parties in tech is because the industry is filled with people who are introverts, not specially groomed/attractive and/or not very good reading social cues.

These parties are absolutely in tech...

Go on... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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I wonder about game development, it shares a lot of the traits.

Game development is probably saved because most studios had (have?) really serious gender imbalances. I wouldn't be surprised of reports of harassment by the female devs, but they make up such a small percentage of the population that it doesn't change the entire hiring dynamic like it does in the music industry.

The cases in the BBC story we're commenting on were same-sex.

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> The McCarthy era was again a matter of government action through government processes with at least some level of transparency, democratic representation, and accountability. It was not spontaneous mobs of individuals without leaders or any kind of accountability. How were the perpetrators of McCarthyism held accountable?

Took 5 seconds to look up on Wikipedia: "With the highly publicized Army–McCarthy hearings of 1954, and following the suicide of Wyoming Senator Lester C. Hunt that same year,[12] McCarthy's support and popularity faded. On December 2, 1954, the Senate voted to censure Senator McCarthy by a vote of 67–22, making him one of the few senators ever to be disciplined in this fashion." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_…

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Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Probably even more so in Hollywood and elsewhere. When you have asymmetric imbalance, it's almost guaranteed to find abuse in the industry.

Wonder if I gave my mechanic a handie he'd find less wrong with it during my yearly inspection..

Not if he's licensed by a certain Italian car manufacturer demanding that you get your car inspected every year or risk losing resale value.

It is a lucrative recurring revenue model after all...favours or not ;)

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But the state could give the victims rights. The state could give the victim the right to discontinue the prosecution against the state's wishes. The state doesn't give the victim that right, because the state cares more about its own power than about the victim. Of course there is the risk that victims might move for leniency due to psychological domination, grooming, threats, etc. However, I don't think that is wha…

If there's proof beyond a reasonable doubt (the criminal trial standard of proof) that he committed these crimes, society has an interest in seeing him punished, if for no other reason than as actual prevention [it would be quite hard for him to molest more girls while incarcerated]. If there's credible evidence (as reviewed by a grand jury, resulting in an indictment), society has an interest in seeing him tried for…

> society has an interest in seeing him punished, if for no other reason than as actual prevention [it would be quite hard for him to molest more girls while incarcerated].

If Polanski hadn't fled, how much time would he have actually spent in prison? He had a plea bargain for time served (he'd already spent a bit over 40 days in prison) and probation. That plea bargain was approved by the victim and her parents. The judge started (rather unprofessionally) bragging to people he was going to cancel the plea bargain and send Polanski to prison for 50 years. Polanski heard about it, panicked, and fled. But, realistically, the judge was unlikely to give him anywhere near 50 years. He probably wasn't even going to get 50 months – possibly, the unprofessional bragging might have been all for nothing and the judge might have stuck to the plea bargain. Even if the judge decided to overrule it, given sentencing practices at the time, the sentence probably wouldn't have been for very long (more likely months than years), and a heavy sentence would have had high odds of being overturned on appeal. Indeed, lawyers who have looked at the case say that, were Polanski to voluntarily return to the US (or somehow be captured by US authorities), he is unlikely to serve much time at all for his original crime of abusing Geimer – if he is facing serious time for anything, it is going to be for fleeing from prosecution rather than the underlying offence.

If Polanski had got time served (original plea bargain), or a few months in prison (likely outcome if it the judge overruled it), how much protection of children from harm would have society actually received? If Polanski spends 6 months in prison, that's a mere 6 months in which he can't abuse anyone. He might not have abused anyone in those 6 months even if he were free. It is hard to take the preventive justification for sentencing seriously in the context of the magnitude of the sentence Polanski was likely facing.

> I don't think this is solely, and maybe not even primarily about the state seeking power, but rather properly exercising power granted it by the people.

Geimer feels abused by the system, and I think her feelings are entirely legitimate. The prosecution and judges should take some responsibility for what they've done to her (a real flesh and blood person with real thoughts and feelings) rather than hiding behind this inchoate abstraction of "the people".

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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> the Mafia is very much a part of the music industry, I'm not too familiar with the pop side of the music industry. I dipped my toe into the Rap/R&B side of the business building websites for new artists. There were literal gangsters in the recording studios sitting across from me drinking and smoking and they made plans for every aspect of these young girls lives: what and when they could eat, who they could see, w…

This is why I don't understand the massive cultural obsession over KPOP. It's one of the grossest abusive industries, and anyone who wants to know is able to do a simple google to find out. Those fans? They could use their collective economic impact to help those folks they "love". Instead they just let them get used and abused for their fantasy.

I don't think KPop artists are sex slaves, though?

Rather, it's a really rough, possibly exploitative gig. They are just like models, but they also sing and dance.

The Music Industry and Hollywood though, they will protect themselves.

We hear more about someone being cancelled for the slightest Tweet than for example Bryan Singer's decades long rapey escapades.

Corey Feldman was literally mocked in public for suggesting that he was abused. By none other than Barbara Walters.

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