'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry' • Hacker News Board

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by wk_end » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

mathgorges wrote: post #271

jlawson wrote: post #263

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Turing wasn't 'canceled' for being gay. He was prosecuted by the government according to the laws of the time, by police. Cancel culture is extra-legal and does not involve the use of laws or police. Cancel culture is also distinct from politicians and infidelity because cancel culture targets non-public individuals . Of course politicians and celebrities were always subject to public opinion; the modern era now mean…

You’re point about cancel culture being against _private_ individuals is new to me. Where I think of people who have been cancelled I only think about celebrities. Reading about Justine Sacco’s story was interesting. Do you know where I can learn more about private individuals being cancelled? (Googling only brings up celebs)

Someone on HN once linked this Twitter thread and I made a point of jotting it down.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sooppressed/status/12824046471609...

I feel a real urge to say, for the record, that I don’t consider myself strongly “anti-cancel culture” or whatever, just that I understand the skepticism towards it and think that it’s referring to something that exists and at the very least has amped up since the end of the Bush administration. Although, truth be told, I doubt that’d be enough if my turn comes, and maybe all that just proves the anti-CC people’s point.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by mywittyname » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

quasimodem wrote: post #223

...How exactly is this hacker news?

Articles of general interest are allowable in moderation.

Also, there is broad overlap between the tech and entertainment industries. Some people here have experienced the seedy underbelly of entertainment. And such stories can be very interesting because, for the most part, tech workers in those industries are involved but invisible.

Like gossip among the servants.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by nicolas_t » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:02 PM UTC

MauranKilom wrote: post #244

nicolas_t wrote: post #182

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Who is Parkor? Tried googling but couldn't find anything about that?

I think they meant Parler.

Thanks, that makes more sense. Yeah in that case I agree with Dang, that topic has been argued to death already and mostly going to lead to a flamewar...

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by MikeDelta » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:04 PM UTC

LanceH wrote: post #274

mr-wendel wrote: post #217

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Great questions, and I applaud your ability to approach a sensitive topic with such open curiosity. Some arguments I'm familiar with around cancel culture are below. My goal isn't to assert them -- just enumerate some of them. People are welcome to reshape them or knock 'em down as they see fit. - The Internet is a global namespace: now you can have people anywhere in the world outraged. What used to be a localized p…

-- it is selectively enforced depending on what side someone is on -- especially with regards to forgiveness of something which happened some time ago. -- Context is irrelevant. People are being canceled for using the wrong word when enumerating words which cannot be said. again, some people can say them, some can't. -- it is completely out of proportion to things which do actual damage. This really bothers me. Someo…

I've seen people get upset about authors from demographic group X writing about people from demographic group Y.

Apparently, that is a prerogative of only group Y nowadays.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by ohashi » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #275

nostromo wrote: post #221

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Roman Polanski won an Oscar after pleading guilty to drugging and raping a 13 year old girl. Look at all these vile people applauding this villain, who couldn't accept his Oscar because he fled the country. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXnNOBj26lk In some ways I think we may have over responded (Aziz Ansari is not Harvey Weinstein), but it was shocking what behavior people were excusing from the powerful even in r…

Whenever discussing Polanski's late career and the acclaim or scorn he has received, it must be mentioned that the girl in question has (later, when she grew up) expressed that she does not wish that Polanski be prosecuted or further punished by the industry.

He still raped a 13 year old. Why is anyone trying to defend or excuse his behavior? I don't care if Jesus came back from the dead and forgave him, it's still not OK.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by Udik » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

leetcrew wrote: post #253

mgarfias wrote: post #202

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Boycott is me (or you) choosing not to spend your money or do business with a particular entity due to perceived notions about that entity. This cancel culture stuff is about not just "not reading the article and not going to the site", its an active attack against someone that you don't like. A boycott is me saying "buzz feed sux, i won't goto one of t heir urls". Cancelling would be me saying Gina Carano sux, i'm g…

> A boycott is me saying "buzz feed sux, i won't goto one of t heir urls". Cancelling would be me saying Gina Carano sux, i'm gonna call disney over and over until she gets fired. I guess I'm not sure I see the difference here. complaining about what gina carano says on her twitter is, in a roundabout way, complaining about a disney product. disney didn't fire an actress from one of their popular shows because they g…

> they did it because enough people complained that they saw a potential loss in future revenue

See, this is something I highly doubt. Do you think that there is such a large part of Disney public that does give a damn about what Gina Carano says? I don't think so. I want to count the ones who actually stop watching "the Mandalorian" because of Gina Carano's tweets. My bet is that they're so few they'd feel stupid after two weeks and start watching it again.

I think the issue here is that taken one by one, each of those who have the power to take decisions succumb to peer pressure and fear of being targeted next. Everyone is replaceable, so everyone prefers to keep on the safe side when confronted by people who are aggressive, determined, and always ready to escalate the pressure to the the next hierarchy level or to to start working out the weakest peers.

So the bottom line is that if the targets of these attacks just stood their ground united and told the mobs to fuck off, the cancellers would just vaporise in a couple of weeks.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by bsenftner » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

pvarangot wrote: post #236

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #91

I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels. Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels. My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties. It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

I worked for the movie industry only for a couple of years and on very technical low-level roles, almost apprentice level. Think data tech or in color grading and only as a side gig. I also frequented movie festivals. Don't take this personally but I think you were at the wrong parties. Good signs to tell if you are "in" or not: do you know how to get illegal drugs on set? have you ever been to a private event in a h…

I worked in film visual effects for nearly a decade, and my wife was a AAA producer (since left the industry.) Perhaps because we were a couple, I never encountered any sex orgies, but the drugs, oh yeah, the drugs were very prevalent.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by ljm » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

leesalminen wrote: post #95

beckman466 wrote: post #89

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> I mean, if Jeff Besos would come to you and say: I invest into your startup $100M if I can fuck you into the ass tree times, very high percentage of HN crowd would immediately say yes. Ew. This comment is atrocious and shows your privilege. It sounds like you haven't listened to many stories of women experiencing systemic abuse, misogyny and humiliation (and who experience most of this abuse in the music industry).…

To me your comment is illustrating your privilege. Prostituting oneself three times to be financially set for life could be a perfectly acceptable trade off for millions of people. The fact that you wouldn’t even consider it shows that you haven’t gone hungry for a while.

That's not what happens though, is it? It's a dumb example.

It's more like the abuser forms a bond with the naive kid, and in exchange for their 'loyalty' they are rewarded with a form of insecure attachment where they do what they're told to try and get more approval, and basically just try to live with it as if it's normal.

Have a drink with me tonight and I'll make sure to call X about that role tomorrow, alright? Then tomorrow comes and maybe on occasion they actually follow through with the promise, enough to convince you they're being sincere, but most likely there'll be an excuse and another 'request', and more favours. And more dependence and more control.

Trying to compare this hellish cycle of abuse to getting fucked in the arse by Bezos for 100 mil is not just absurd, it's completely out of touch with the grim reality the victims spend the rest of their lives contending with.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by bloopernova » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

tabtab wrote: post #215

In other words, other "skills" can partly substitute for looks. One generally moans with their eyes closed. One thing that bugs me is that it's often said "men are animals" in that they lack self control. Yet many women wear provocative clothing at work to gain favors. Such women want it both ways: the ability to tease and taunt, but a magic lid on those when they don't want advances. They want to play with fire BUT…

Human beings are not animals.

A responsible human is able to resist raping anyone they see.

Minors are sexually assaulted, and they do not "taunt hungry tigers" as you put it.

I urge you to visit a therapist and explore what has led you to the position you detailed in your comment.

I honestly hope you are trolling, because the attitude you have towards women is deeply troubling.

I wish you good luck in self improvement and therapy.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by tabtab » Wed, Feb 17, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #281

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #261

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Everyone can , but not everyone does . Cold hard reality is that not everyone does . Saying that not everyone can is excusing at least some of the men.

I'm going to respond to this comment, but this is to the above poster as well and in general to the thread. Rereading your comments, i think i've responded a bit reactionary and not really addressed some of the things you've said. Yes, i believe people have a responsibility to keep themselves safe and out of harm. Yes, women and everyone, should be aware there's nasty people out there that will hurt them. You're corr…

Using your "crime alley" analogy, you would agree that one should NOT wear expensive and highly visible jewelry if they go there. Whether it's their "fault" if they get mugged doing such is a different matter than using common sense prevention.

I'm not looking at this like St. Peter scoring one's sin card in the afterlife, but rather how do we reduce a common problem. One is morally obligated to take basic common sense precautions. I believe most will agree to that, even those giving me all these negative points.

By the way, if I were forced to assign "fault" in such a situation, I'd give the mugger 90% of it and the bling wearer 10%. The bling wearer is not 100% innocent in my book. The bling is not a necessity for survival nor health; neither is exposing half your tits at work.

LEAVE YOUR TOYS AT HOME! They are disruptive in the workplace.