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'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by kube-system »

mgarfias wrote: post #202
mathgorges wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this take quite a bit lately with respect to cancel culture and I'm a bit confused about it. Since HN is amazing, I'm hoping someone here can help me understand without it turning into a flamewar. I don't understand how "cancel culture" is substantially different from what we used to call "boycotts", just with the internet for more social lubrication. I suppose theres a risk that the allegations at the cent…

Boycott is me (or you) choosing not to spend your money or do business with a particular entity due to perceived notions about that entity. This cancel culture stuff is about not just "not reading the article and not going to the site", its an active attack against someone that you don't like. A boycott is me saying "buzz feed sux, i won't goto one of t heir urls". Cancelling would be me saying Gina Carano sux, i'm g…

There is a long history of people who have been fired due to public outrage. People have different (and a greater number of) means of communicating that outrage today, but the general mechanism hasn't changed.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by tabtab »

grawprog wrote: post #233
tabtab wrote: post #215

In other words, other "skills" can partly substitute for looks. One generally moans with their eyes closed. One thing that bugs me is that it's often said "men are animals" in that they lack self control. Yet many women wear provocative clothing at work to gain favors. Such women want it both ways: the ability to tease and taunt, but a magic lid on those when they don't want advances. They want to play with fire BUT…

>Don't taunt the hungry tigers in our pants and expect 24/7 self control. I probably shouldn't even bother responding to this comment, but i'm sorry, as a man, yes control your fucking dick. That's the way of it. If you can't control yourself, that's on you, nobody else.

I'm not justifying it, only saying it's not realistic IN PRACTICE. Requiring 24/7 discipline on that doesn't scale. Most men are friggen horny by nature. It's like telling everyone to diet and exercise to not be obese. It doesn't work, half the population over 30 is obese. Or to never gossip. How many will follow that?

Realistic advice needs to scale and work in practice. Platitudes without that won't actually fly.

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Post by lostgame »

pvarangot wrote: post #236
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #91

I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels. Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels. My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties. It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

I worked for the movie industry only for a couple of years and on very technical low-level roles, almost apprentice level. Think data tech or in color grading and only as a side gig. I also frequented movie festivals. Don't take this personally but I think you were at the wrong parties. Good signs to tell if you are "in" or not: do you know how to get illegal drugs on set? have you ever been to a private event in a h…

Yikes, my answer is yes to all of these, and, indeed, I witnessed and partook in several of said orgies. They certainly do happen, for sure.

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Post by MauranKilom »

nicolas_t wrote: post #182
texasbigdata wrote: post #101

This is probably the most interesting comment here. Especially (as a moderate to liberal) with the cancelling of Parkor which was deeply troubling. Is anyone speaking publicly and/or thinking deeply on this future of everyone in the value chain being able to deny freedom of speech? Obviously in some cases it's warranted (violence), but in others where the attack is very pointed (heard instances of cloudfare being pet…

Who is Parkor? Tried googling but couldn't find anything about that?

I think they meant Parler.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by selimthegrim »

unnouinceput wrote: post #82

Quote: "Mafia 'owned' pop stars" Mafia owned Elvis. If the king didn't had a chance what chance have the pop stars? Get serious, where is lust, regardless of industry, there is Mafia, organized or not.

Citation? I thought he kept family retainers around

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by g00gler »

pvarangot wrote: post #236
BrandoElFollito wrote: post #91

I've been working for 25+ years in huge, international, rich companies — at very senior (tech) levels. Plenty of travel, plenty of team building, plenty of dinners and hotels. My wife asked me a few times about the orgies the movies show, and damn it, I must have always been at the wrong parties. It is interesting how this varies by companies and organizations.

I worked for the movie industry only for a couple of years and on very technical low-level roles, almost apprentice level. Think data tech or in color grading and only as a side gig. I also frequented movie festivals. Don't take this personally but I think you were at the wrong parties. Good signs to tell if you are "in" or not: do you know how to get illegal drugs on set? have you ever been to a private event in a h…

I don't think OP was in the entertainment industry. He has worked with several large companies at a very senior level and has never experienced anything like what is alleged to occur in the entertainment industry.

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by sbilstein »

crazypython wrote: post #96

I wonder if it's common in other industries e.g. dance. And how many victims there are, and how many of them are those most easily exploited: the poor, weak, and underage.

Yes it is. Opera, for example, https://www.npr.org/2019/07/26/745286413/opera-star-david-da...

Music and Arts are a hellhole for this kind of stuff

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by mathgorges »

mgarfias wrote: post #202
mathgorges wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen this take quite a bit lately with respect to cancel culture and I'm a bit confused about it. Since HN is amazing, I'm hoping someone here can help me understand without it turning into a flamewar. I don't understand how "cancel culture" is substantially different from what we used to call "boycotts", just with the internet for more social lubrication. I suppose theres a risk that the allegations at the cent…

Boycott is me (or you) choosing not to spend your money or do business with a particular entity due to perceived notions about that entity. This cancel culture stuff is about not just "not reading the article and not going to the site", its an active attack against someone that you don't like. A boycott is me saying "buzz feed sux, i won't goto one of t heir urls". Cancelling would be me saying Gina Carano sux, i'm g…

A few people have made the point about boycotts being against organizations and cancels being against individuals.

I don’t see the material difference there, what about it being an individual makes you feel it’s different?

Your last point is intriguing to me.

If I were to simply not watch films with Gina Carano in them anymore, would you still say I’m canceling her?

Re: 'Sexual favours were the norm in music industry'

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Post by grawprog »

tabtab wrote: post #242
grawprog wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Don't taunt the hungry tigers in our pants and expect 24/7 self control. I probably shouldn't even bother responding to this comment, but i'm sorry, as a man, yes control your fucking dick. That's the way of it. If you can't control yourself, that's on you, nobody else.

I'm not justifying it, only saying it's not realistic IN PRACTICE. Requiring 24/7 discipline on that doesn't scale. Most men are friggen horny by nature. It's like telling everyone to diet and exercise to not be obese. It doesn't work, half the population over 30 is obese. Or to never gossip. How many will follow that? Realistic advice needs to scale and work in practice. Platitudes without that won't actually fly.

Yeah dude...being horny by nature is no excuse for that kind of behaviour. Yes it is realistic to expect people will not sexually take advantage of others just because they're horny and the other person is dressed in a way that 'taunts' them.

It happens all the time. There's millions of horny people out there every day not sexually assaulting people.

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