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Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by unityByFreedom »

I didn't perceive the NYT article as negative at all. As for naming him, that's their choice as journalists, and a risk he took with recording his thoughts online just as all of us do.

I wish folks would rid themselves of the notion that the internet is anonymous or deletable. We'd all be much healthier by acknowledging the possibility that whatever you write here may be etched in stone. And if you become well known people may try to identify you. This isn't an OSC book it's the real world.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by mrgordon »

tensor wrote: post #59
throwmtlsPhD wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I suggest an alternative? The pieces of the NYT that you think are “some of the best journalistic context out there” might be in area that you are less well read than you believe yourself to be. I know this has been true for me many times. Try reading what someone who disagree with the NYT would consider a high quality alternative.

It's pretty hard to find high quality alternatives. There is the wall street journal, maybe a few others, but not many. I personally read a few high quality news sources and science journals. Inexplicably many here seem to think that random blog posts are somehow remotely equivalent. I value opinion at zero, and trust a random person to do quality research at about zero too. Trust is earned. When random internet opin…

The WSJ has much worse editors than the NYTimes. They really allow a lot of bias.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by mrgordon »

bpodgursky wrote: post #56
Tenoke wrote: post #10

The sad part is, despite so many bad takes, ideology pushing, and hatchet jobs The NYT overall still produces comparably some of the best journalistic content out there.

The WSJ produces just as much good content, and you can subscribe there without inadvertently funding rag hit pieces like this.

The WSJ has a ton of dubious articles. The Opinion pieces are garbage compared to the average one in the Times although of course both have misses

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by chmod775 »

The NYT article[1] can hardly be called a hit piece at all, considering how little 'dirt' it actually contains.

What is telling however is the lengths to which they went to connect Scott to anything negative at all.

Look at how they 'connect' him to Peter Thiel for instance: Scott is a prominent figure in a loose group of "Rationalists". Some rationalists are concerned about AI. Some people who are concerned about AI also donated to MIRI. Guess who also donated to MIRI? Peter Thiel!

The author then goes on to rattle off a bunch of other names who are in turn connected to Peter Thiel in some ways.

Like... really?

I just can't figure out why that paragraph should even be the article. Speaking of which, what is that article even about? If there's supposed to be some story or thread stringing it together, I can't see it.

It's essentially:

1. He deleted his blog.

2. Here's a list of unrelated things people he may know have done.

3. He now has a new blog.

Cool story, NYT.

[1]: https://archive.is/b1tyQ

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by [deleted] »

kortilla wrote: post #60
john_moscow wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a huge tension in the society caused by the wealth shift from individuals to corporations. As a rank-and-file millennial, in most of the cases you are priced out of property ownership, are expected to do your shitty job until death, and you starting a family would be directly directly against your employer's interests. The woke movement and is artificially splintering people based on identities. It is redirec…

> in most of the cases you are priced out of property ownership This is only true for a selection of coastal cities. The property ownership ladder is still available all over the US to the lower middle class and up. The narrative you are parroting that this is because of corporations is another distraction designed to keep people from actually addressing housing issues with large legal reforms crushing NIMBYism. Take…

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Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by unityByFreedom »

mimikatz wrote: post #4

The piece was bad. After all the time they had to work on it, it was a lazy hack job that normally wouldn't make the cut at the NYT. It is a sign of the days we live in when a Mean Girls style burn book page makes it into what used to be the paper of record.

Seemed fine to me, not negative in the slightest. Today's internet is not the same as Ender's Game. You don't get to become popular while remaining anonymous. Only the politburo can do that.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by mgamache »

Hypotheses:

I am wondering if these 'hit pieces' are more like sermons of The Church of the NYT. Deriding sinners and their evil ways. They are not meant to reflect an objective reality, but hyperbole to act as a cautionary tale with enough plausible sounding details to allow the prefrontal cortex to accept them. A modern This way there be dragons Or Reefer Madness. The NYT has found it's tithing flock and they are pandering all the way to the bank.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by kortilla »

mrgordon wrote: post #62
tensor wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty hard to find high quality alternatives. There is the wall street journal, maybe a few others, but not many. I personally read a few high quality news sources and science journals. Inexplicably many here seem to think that random blog posts are somehow remotely equivalent. I value opinion at zero, and trust a random person to do quality research at about zero too. Trust is earned. When random internet opin…

The WSJ has much worse editors than the NYTimes. They really allow a lot of bias.

So does the NYT. The bias of the times just happens to be really well aligned with mainstream liberals in the US so it’s much harder to notice if you’re in that camp.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by bpodgursky »

mrgordon wrote: post #63
bpodgursky wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WSJ produces just as much good content, and you can subscribe there without inadvertently funding rag hit pieces like this.

The WSJ has a ton of dubious articles. The Opinion pieces are garbage compared to the average one in the Times although of course both have misses

The opinion pieces are contained to the opinion section though. (One) problem with the NYTimes is that that is no longer true.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by BurningFrog »

remarkEon wrote: post #21
outoftheabyss wrote: post #14

This is the second article I’ve come across today lambasting the NYT for a hit piece, the second in my opinion is much worse given what the subject has been exposed to and has had to endure. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ayaan-hirsi-ali-and-the-... It seems the publication is in the midst of a takeover by woke radical authoritarians. It used to be that you should be cancelled and/or made a pariah of society for…

>It seems the publication is in the midst of a takeover by woke radical authoritarians. I'm skeptical it's an actual takeover per se, and not the older generation being completely blindsided by the force with which the younger generation(s) release their demands. They probably just don't know how to deal with it, and so are giving too much deference to them because doing otherwise risks the online twitter mob. Is leg…

One quite possible scenario is that this is the dying process of the "legacy media", as it gets replaced by... whatever comes next.

That's one way to see the recent NYT purges. If I can force out a colleague for some marginal etiquette infraction, that's one fewer competitor in the shrinking job pool.

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