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Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by cobraetor » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:24 AM UTC

musicbizsucks wrote: post #7

You can play a fun game with this snippet from the NYT article. You can replace the word "Rationalists" with the name of any group at all and the resulting statement seems vaguely true due to the imprecise nature of the language. > Many Rationalists embraced “effective altruism,” an effort to remake charity by calculating how many people would benefit from a given donation. Some embraced the online writings of “neore…

I wonder if there is an online course that educates people on journalism-based rhetoric like this.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by fakename11 » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:27 AM UTC

sradman wrote: post #2

> I want to respond to four main negative claims in the article > 1. The article tries to connect me to Charles Murray and The Bell Curve > 2. In their litany of reasons I am bad, the Times says I compared some feminists to Voldemort. > 3. The Times also presented a more general case that I was a bad ally to women in tech. > 4. They further presented a more general case that I am six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon-style link…

Is this really a useful post?

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by NhanH » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:30 AM UTC

This is shameful, and the second time this month NYT puts out such a shameful piece (the first time was the JetBrains/ Solarwinds article). I guess this should be enough to disregard everything NYT will write, and stop reading them.

Another commenter said that NYT still produces comparably some of the best journalistic content. I will have to stop reading news if this is the case. After the whole fiasco of Scott deleting the blog, and this is still the piece they decided to go with. It's a bit hard to trust the NYT's integrity..

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by outoftheabyss » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:34 AM UTC

This is the second article I’ve come across today lambasting the NYT for a hit piece, the second in my opinion is much worse given what the subject has been exposed to and has had to endure. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ayaan-hirsi-ali-and-the-...

It seems the publication is in the midst of a takeover by woke radical authoritarians. It used to be that you should be cancelled and/or made a pariah of society for actual things you said years ago, now that’s not enough, they will go out of their way to form a narrative around you, whether the cap fits or not, in order to ostracise, they aren’t afraid to stretch the truth or outright lie. This is not unique to the NYT but it’s a concerning trend.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by throwmtlsPhD » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:39 AM UTC

Tenoke wrote: post #10

The sad part is, despite so many bad takes, ideology pushing, and hatchet jobs The NYT overall still produces comparably some of the best journalistic content out there.

Can I suggest an alternative?

The pieces of the NYT that you think are “some of the best journalistic context out there” might be in area that you are less well read than you believe yourself to be.

I know this has been true for me many times.

Try reading what someone who disagree with the NYT would consider a high quality alternative.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by Huwyt_Nashi020 » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:46 AM UTC

wwww4all wrote: post #9

NY times is worse than fake news. It’s intentional fake news propaganda to instill establishment thought control on their audience. They are now part of the fascist cabal establishment in US, hunting down any wrong thinkers. It doesn’t matter is you’re left or right. The only thing that matters to NY times fascist establishment regime is keeping the lower classes in line to help make the establishment people retain c…

Just don't pay too much attention to their surnames or you might notice a pattern.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by donthitme » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:50 AM UTC

Reading the NYT piece was mortifying.[1] They were my primary source of all things news and then published this strange hit that's just... off base. They were the real news that was called fake news in a ridiculous/laughable sort of way. But it just doesn't jive. How can a reliable news source write an article like that? Why throw your reputation down the toilet for what seems like a grudge?

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/technology/slate-star-cod...

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by Tenoke » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:53 AM UTC

throwmtlsPhD wrote: post #15

Tenoke wrote: post #10

The sad part is, despite so many bad takes, ideology pushing, and hatchet jobs The NYT overall still produces comparably some of the best journalistic content out there.

Can I suggest an alternative? The pieces of the NYT that you think are “some of the best journalistic context out there” might be in area that you are less well read than you believe yourself to be. I know this has been true for me many times. Try reading what someone who disagree with the NYT would consider a high quality alternative.

I'm aware of Gell-Mann Amnesia and read from a variety of sources.

This was really a comment on how most journalism is even worse. The NYT does occasionally have pieces where I know about the topic and their representation goes into details that others aren't likely to. Those are, however, not a large percentage of their output.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by zarkov99 » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

donthitme wrote: post #17

Reading the NYT piece was mortifying.[1] They were my primary source of all things news and then published this strange hit that's just... off base. They were the real news that was called fake news in a ridiculous/laughable sort of way. But it just doesn't jive. How can a reliable news source write an article like that? Why throw your reputation down the toilet for what seems like a grudge? [1] https://www.nytimes.c…

I suggest that perhaps you just have not had as much knowledge about previous hit pieces as you had about this one. The NYT did this to Jordan Peterson and no doubt others. They are completely morally bankrupt and do not deserve anyone's trust.

Re: Statement on New York Times Article

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo » Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 3:07 AM UTC

mimikatz wrote: post #4

The piece was bad. After all the time they had to work on it, it was a lazy hack job that normally wouldn't make the cut at the NYT. It is a sign of the days we live in when a Mean Girls style burn book page makes it into what used to be the paper of record.

You’re not kidding. It’s surprising how bad it is, and that’s after reading all these comments saying how bad it is. It is plainly a hit piece devoid of any substantive reporting or analysis.