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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#181

This isn't about Azure or Ubuntu. The next 40 years will be filled with special coders adding hooks into everything looking for new monetization channels. Be prepared for this same WTF moment every 5 minutes.

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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#182

I thought this was going to be a Clippy joke, but the truth was much more disturbing. Why is Microsoft sharing this level of information (from a corporate account) with third parties?

It definitely gave me Clippy vibes, and suddenly thrust me into a Black Mirror type of situation where a current day Clippy would literally forward all of your work (keystrokes, open programs, files) to sales and ad representatives so they can sell you more stuff. Every day I'm more and more paranoid of big companies now!

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#183

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"On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies."" My reading of this statement is that they are scapegoating the guy.

I think an attempt to scapegoat would look more like "in violation of our established policies and rigorous training, a Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn." The actual quote acknowledges that the company's training and policies are at fault. I'd also expect a scapegoat to be publicly fired or disciplined, did they say that elsewhere?

> "On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies."

This was their official statement regarding this matter. They provided this to The Register to defend their actions when this story got written up: https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt...

Edit: Yes so just to be clear, according to their official statement they are scapegoating the salesman. They call him a "new Canonical Sales Rep" to imply he isn't experienced and made a mistake. The only responsibility that Canonical took is that they will "review its sales training".

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#184

I'm super confused as to why anybody thinks this is a problem. Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is. That the vendor asks the buyer if there's anything else they'd want to buy is par for the course.

What? When I buy something at a brick and mortar store, I don't expect the product's manufacturer to get my personal information. I don't even expect the store to get my personal information if I pay in cash. I don't want some "relationship" with a company just because I buy their product.

I don’t know why we need metaphors for situations that are this simple. But, in any case, the „Azure marketplace“, as its name implies, acts as a middleman connecting buyers and sellers. In brick-and-mortar terms, it’s closer to signing a cell phone contract with AT&T at an Apple Store.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#185
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Actually, to me the MS statement is the most illuminating and I'm guessing that Canonical is getting some grumpy calls from Microsoft. This is the last part of the Microsoft statement: "Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and technical support for their products but restricts them from using contact details for marketing purposes" Canonical then tells us that this person…

> "On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies." The part I find the most enlightening (ie: disturbing) is that Canonical's only regret is that the sales rep used "a poor choice of word" and they will train their salespeople better. I assume the…

It's all about plausible deniability.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#186

I'm super confused as to why anybody thinks this is a problem. Generally, when one "buys" something from a "marketplace" the vendor gets to know who the buyer is. That the vendor asks the buyer if there's anything else they'd want to buy is par for the course.

Imagine you rented a car from Hertz on a work trip with a company card, and then Ford called your house.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#187

Side note... the user on Twitter that originally reported this had his account locked by Twitter for posting the LinkedIn message from the Canonical sales guy. https://twitter.com/LucaBongiorni/status/1359885001844744195

I love how being contacted by a salesman that is acting accordingly to the terms of the contract he accepted is BAD! but publishing a private message without consent and without obfuscating name and surname is RIGHT!

Some devs have complete disconnect from reality.

(ofc he screams #censorship)

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#188

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Why Canonical? Isn't this a Microsoft feature?

Both to be honest. Canonical shouldn't have asked, and Microsoft shouldn't have agreed. Neither one is an innocent party.

Shit companies in a shit business relation. Can't wait to see that marriage between the two.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#189

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You could also just use Debian instead of Ubuntu.

But systemd :). Honestly the main servers I am thinking of moving use zfs and zfs on FreeBSD is more of a first class citizen than on Linux.

How good is freebsd to host a typical PG + nginx + docker + Rust/Python backend? ie: Can I use last versions of everything and expect to work? I have always used ubuntu.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

#190

Side note... the user on Twitter that originally reported this had his account locked by Twitter for posting the LinkedIn message from the Canonical sales guy. https://twitter.com/LucaBongiorni/status/1359885001844744195

I love how being contacted by a salesman that is acting accordingly to the terms of the contract he accepted is BAD! but publishing a private message without consent and without obfuscating name and surname is RIGHT! Some devs have complete disconnect from reality. (ofc he screams #censorship)

He definitely should have blurred out the name of the salesperson in the original image.
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