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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by daveFNbuck »

plorg wrote: post #125
grasseh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is meant as a rhetoric, but it sounds like car sales. I bought a car last year. They sent my name and address to Sirius XM and now I'm getting spammed by marketing calls + marketing physical mail for Sirius XM when I don't need such service. I have a phone and all my music on it. It's already something that happens in the non-software world and it's definitely annoying there too!

In the car of Sirius it's pretty amazing the lengths they'll go. They send out a Customer Agreement with a welcome packet when they activate a trial subscription for a particular unit (usually when you buy a car, new or used, but I've received it on my car that I bought 4 years previously). That agreement, it claims, has the power of contract, and will be binding on the customer as soon as the service is activated or…

If the trial contract isn't enforceable, why bother canceling?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by nonotreally »

balthasar wrote: post #91

I mean just the idea of spinning up linux on Mircrosoft's cloud is pretty funny in and of its self.

I think you may be underestimating how big Azure is and how much Linux they do.

Although it is fun to think about the 90s version of MS embracing linux to this degree.

https://cloudwars.co/microsoft/microsoft-wallops-amazon-in-2...

https://build5nines.com/linux-is-most-used-os-in-microsoft-a...

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by dylan604 »

znpy wrote: post #119
IgorPartola wrote: post #14

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Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”

> one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. I wonder what have the consequences been for that guy.

Probably a promotion for failing upwards. At least, that's how precedence makes me feel about it.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by thom_nic »

jacurtis wrote: post #142
rkangel wrote: post #48

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Actually, to me the MS statement is the most illuminating and I'm guessing that Canonical is getting some grumpy calls from Microsoft. This is the last part of the Microsoft statement: "Our terms with our publishers allow them to provide customers with implementation and technical support for their products but restricts them from using contact details for marketing purposes" Canonical then tells us that this person…

> "On February 10th, a new Canonical Sales Representative contacted one of these developers via LinkedIn, with a poor choice of word. In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies." The part I find the most enlightening (ie: disturbing) is that Canonical's only regret is that the sales rep used "a poor choice of word" and they will train their salespeople better. I assume the…

> the salesman wasn't supposed to TELL YOU that we are monitoring what you install

Exactly. The old "I'm sorry I got caught" and not "I'm sorry I did it."

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by Hizonner »

ProAm wrote: post #89
badjeans wrote: post #56

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Why Canonical? Isn't this a Microsoft feature?

This is the 'not on prem' tax that will be the norm going forward.

I'm under the impression that on-prem Ubuntu phones home. I guess maybe it can't guess your LinkedIn name, though.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by Debug_Overload »

curtis3389 wrote: post #64
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

We all know that you can't trust Microsoft, but a lot of people blindly trust Canonical just because they create a Linux distro. I haven't trusted Canonical since I noticed their pattern of creating competing alternatives to new Linux standards instead of helping them (Mir & Wayland, Snap & Flatpack, Unity & Gnome 3). It'd be one thing if they were bringing better ideas and long-term support to their alternatives, bu…

I'm not sure how many times this needs repeating, but Snap wasn't an "alternative" to Flatpak; the latter didn't even exist when the former was created. Many people arguing about this issue don't seem to get this.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by nonotreally »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #128
jnwatson wrote: post #115

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LinkedIn? The also-Microsoft-owned service where you can pay to send DMs to users? I have no idea what you're talking about regarding "huge violation of boundaries", because there are none on LinkedIn. I get multiple DMs a week from folks I don't know selling something.

I don't even use Azure or LinkedIn. But I'm extremely not interested in continuing a conversation with someone who is being deliberately ignorant and difficult. If your attitude is "consumers are not allowed to complain about any shitty marketing practice if I don't like the company involved" then congratulations, you are sooooo superior.

I dunno man. I'm struggling to see how this is catching anyone by surprise.

I'm not endorsing more ad spam, but I'm really caught off guard that using a service with a real name/email and getting added to a CRM is generating this level of indignation.

Do none of you guys work in corporate? I get Linkedin/email/phone spam all the time. This isn't new. The only interesting thing here is that the trigger and the response time were so short.

Again, I'm not advocating for more of this or even saying I like it. I'm just saying "why are we all of a sudden upset about this?"

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by SilasX »

IgorPartola wrote: post #14
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”

>one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded.

I don't think the (non-)apology even gave that much, just that the training/policies will be "reviewed", which is even weaker:

>>In light of this incident, Canonical will be reviewing its sales training and policies.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by theossuary »

ojnabieoot wrote: post #128
jnwatson wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LinkedIn? The also-Microsoft-owned service where you can pay to send DMs to users? I have no idea what you're talking about regarding "huge violation of boundaries", because there are none on LinkedIn. I get multiple DMs a week from folks I don't know selling something.

I don't even use Azure or LinkedIn. But I'm extremely not interested in continuing a conversation with someone who is being deliberately ignorant and difficult. If your attitude is "consumers are not allowed to complain about any shitty marketing practice if I don't like the company involved" then congratulations, you are sooooo superior.

I'm on board with the above poster, and you dismissing what they're saying as "deliberately ignorant" because it doesn't jive with your world view is a sad tactic to use when discussing something.

As somebody who's listed products on the AWS marketplace, when you "subscribe" to a product you give them your information as due course. This is obvious, spelled out, and known across all the marketplaces. So I'll assume the part you take issue is, is with reaching out to the individual on LinkedIn instead of through Azure. I don't understand how in a world where companies cold call you after buying your phone number, and spam you with emails after you try to unsubscribe, suddenly messaging you on LinkedIn is over the line.

It's strange, and I'm glad they're moving away from the practice, but to pretend it's this big privacy fiasco is disingenuous at best. They (Canonical) still have all your data, they're just being more subtle about it now. How is that better?

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