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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by IgorPartola »

retzkek wrote: post #46
IgorPartola wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool?

> You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag... Cool? Since most appliance manufacturers require you registering your product with them for warranty service, yes, please take care of that for me (many appliance stores do). Now _should_ Maytag require that registration? If it makes for a quicker and smoother warranty service process then I'm okay with it - better than needing to dig…

There is a difference between you checking off a box that says “send my info to Maytag” and BestBut just doing it and then when you find out about it Maytag saying “you weren’t supposed to find out”.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by peanut_worm »

raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Looks like i’m switching to Debian this weekend, what a stupid company lol

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by duxup »

BlueTie wrote: post #40

As someone who works in tech sales - the real bullshit here is that this is some right-out-of-college 22 y/o entry level sales person (SDR) who was likely told to to take this list and message everyone on linkedin 1x1. The negative impact of this goes on his shoulders where the positive responses from this get passed off to someone else who is outside the blast radius. Stuff like this is the norm when sales is viewed…

I think LinkedIn is kinda ... tainted so mass spam is just considered par for the course on there, sadly. Nobody thinks twice about spamming on there.

I log on there and it's all spam-ish content. And really all I want to know is what people I worked with are doing now / how they're doing....

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by grasseh »

IgorPartola wrote: post #25
duxup wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the Marketplace quote is worth noting too: >A look at the terms for the Azure Marketplace throws up this sentence: "If you purchase or use a Marketplace Offering, we may share with the Publisher of such Offering your contact information and details about the transaction and your usage." So the publisher of something on their Marketplace gets some information. This doesn't seem 'that' weird (well the linked in…

You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool?

I know this is meant as a rhetoric, but it sounds like car sales. I bought a car last year. They sent my name and address to Sirius XM and now I'm getting spammed by marketing calls + marketing physical mail for Sirius XM when I don't need such service. I have a phone and all my music on it. It's already something that happens in the non-software world and it's definitely annoying there too!

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by badjeans »

IgorPartola wrote: post #14
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”

Why Canonical? Isn't this a Microsoft feature?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by macksd »

markild wrote: post #15
raesene9 wrote: post #8

The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…

Great, so their conclusion is "we should make this less obvious and creepy", not "we should probably stop doing this".

My first thought was that companies that are selling complementary services (and that's really the difference between Debian and Ubuntu here) are obviously going to have mutually beneficial affiliate agreements. The vast majority of us are probably working at companies that do that. Someone mentioned Oracle licensing enforcement and yeah, I wouldn't feel like a victim if I used bootleg copies of Oracle and the bootleg copy told them without me expecting it. I think in this case it should be clearer and opt out, but honestly - who among us is the least bit surprised that Canonical at least gets some referral here?

But where they specifically went wrong? Well one of them was absolutely the way the "point of contact" reached out. If my professional email was shared with you as part of a professional agreement, adding it to a mailing list to sell me on the paid version of what I used for free makes sense. Sending some of those specific details to my personal account, which by the way you aren't sure is actually me, is way over the line. The salesperson personally screwed up big time there for sure.

The other thing is the granularity of the data, and that's also over the line. I read that agreement and think sure - they'll know our company has used their company. But specific actions taken by specific developers? There are users that avoid certain providers like the plague because in some way they're competitive, and even if they trust them not to directly compromise security measures, interfere and steal data - they still don't want a competitive company having insight into their costs, development, traffic, etc. This kills the trust you may have in Microsoft from that standpoint.

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by [deleted] »

_1qd4 wrote: post #43

This is incredibly common. I installed an analytics package on my personal heroku account for a side project and received an email on my enterprise email account from their sales department. My personal heroku account uses my personal email address, eg. jbob@gmail.com, but my enterprise account uses my full name, eg. jonathan.bob@bigco.com. There's a sneaky CRM tool floating around that is connecting the dots on peop…

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Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by detaro »

badjeans wrote: post #56
IgorPartola wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow. I just lost a whole lot of respect for Canonical. “If you read the document we expect nobody to read, you’d know that you sold your soul to us. We didn’t mean for you to find that out but one of our salespeople got overeager and tried to sell you your soul back. He will be reprimanded. Can we all forget about this real quick?”

Why Canonical? Isn't this a Microsoft feature?

How is a Canonical rep contacting him purely a "Microsoft feature"?

Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”

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Post by inetknght »

detaro wrote: post #59
badjeans wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why Canonical? Isn't this a Microsoft feature?

How is a Canonical rep contacting him purely a "Microsoft feature"?

It means that Microsoft is providing information that they shouldn't.
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