He seems to have been using a corporate account, and then was contacted via a personal account.
This goes to show that, when dealing with big corporations, even when you're paying, you're still the product.
“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
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#123The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…
Forgive me. It's Friday.
What was the poor choice of word?
I get that the whole concept is poor. But what word or words?
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#124Is it Azure sharing data, or the Ubuntu images phoning home? Edit: a comment here links to an article with more details. MS shares with Canonical. Bad on both parts I'd say, at least weird usage of the data.
Not if you purchase something from Canonical on MS's Marketplace. That's what marketplaces do.
They shouldn't. The examples of cases where it's not the norm are spread throughout the comments.
I'd say a reasonable person would not expect to do business with Azure and have all of their information forwarded off to Canonical.
It's a scummy arrangement and execution on both sides.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
You buy a dishwasher from Best Buy. They send your name and address to Maytag. You buy soap from Walmart. They send your name and address to Johnson & Johnson. You buy a sandwich at your local deli. They send your name and address to Boar’s Head. Cool?
I know this is meant as a rhetoric, but it sounds like car sales. I bought a car last year. They sent my name and address to Sirius XM and now I'm getting spammed by marketing calls + marketing physical mail for Sirius XM when I don't need such service. I have a phone and all my music on it. It's already something that happens in the non-software world and it's definitely annoying there too!
In the car of Sirius it's pretty amazing the lengths they'll go. They send out a Customer Agreement with a welcome packet when they activate a trial subscription for a particular unit (usually when you buy a car, new or used, but I've received it on my car that I bought 4 years previously). That agreement, it claims, has the power of contract, and will be binding on the customer as soon as the service is activated or the customer receives they're policy. Of particular offense to me, it subjects the customer to binding arbitration (for a trial subscription the customer never requested or affirmatively agreed to). They've literally gone to the Supreme Court (and lost) arguing that a trial user could not sue for their nuisance mail because of the arbitration clause. The agreement states that it remains in effect unless the customer cancels their (trial) subscription within 7 days of activation, and only by phone.
In my most recent case I received such a packet 6 days after the date they said they activated the service. I called the same day and told the agent I wanted to cancel my trial subscription, citing specifically that I did not want the service and refused the terms of the agreement. The retention script (which is the same no matter which agent you talk with) is, "well you can keep the trial going and it will just expire", and repeat it several times. You have to be persistent and use the language "cancel my subscription", or you will get nowhere.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#126The register article on this https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/11/microsoft_azure_ubunt... has responses from Canonical and MS, which shed a bit more light on the situation. The Canonical quote is the most illuminating :- "As per the Azure T&Cs, Microsoft shares with Canonical, the publisher of Ubuntu, the contact details of developers launching Ubuntu instances on Azure. These contact details are held in Canonical…
We all know that you can't trust Microsoft, but a lot of people blindly trust Canonical just because they create a Linux distro. I haven't trusted Canonical since I noticed their pattern of creating competing alternatives to new Linux standards instead of helping them (Mir & Wayland, Snap & Flatpack, Unity & Gnome 3). It'd be one thing if they were bringing better ideas and long-term support to their alternatives, bu…
Mir and WAyland was because wayland couldn't do what they wanted technically.
Snap came BEFORE flatpak. Flatpak was the "new competing standard" in that situation.
And Gnome shell, quite frankly, sucked. IMO it still sucks, but back then it sucked WAY worse.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#127Was this a custom-wrapped ubuntu image, or did someone pick the pre-configured ubuntu image managed by Canonical and Microsoft?
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the email came over an Azure customer support system, or even to the corporate email used to sign up for the Azure account, then sure - I would personally find this very obnoxious and it being buried in the license agreement is suspicious, but not really that unethical. Crucially, this arrangement means Canonical could engage in marketing without MSFT sharing much personal data about Azure users. What's extremely…
LinkedIn? The also-Microsoft-owned service where you can pay to send DMs to users? I have no idea what you're talking about regarding "huge violation of boundaries", because there are none on LinkedIn. I get multiple DMs a week from folks I don't know selling something.
I don't even use Azure or LinkedIn. But I'm extremely not interested in continuing a conversation with someone who is being deliberately ignorant and difficult. If your attitude is "consumers are not allowed to complain about any shitty marketing practice if I don't like
the company involved" then congratulations, you are sooooo superior.
Re: “I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure”
#129I installed Ubuntu onto a physical machine recently because I needed to use a Linux package for something real quick.
Upon trying to install the incredibly common package I was given some error about it not existing and some nonsense about using snaps. I don't care about learning how to use snaps, I just want to get something done. I quickly installed Debian instead and got back to doing the work I needed to do. It really soured my opinion of Ubuntu - a distro I first used back when they were still mailing out CDs.
This furthers my negative opinion of Canonical and solidifies my position that I'll never use Ubuntu again. Debian it is for me if I need Linux.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
We all know that you can't trust Microsoft, but a lot of people blindly trust Canonical just because they create a Linux distro. I haven't trusted Canonical since I noticed their pattern of creating competing alternatives to new Linux standards instead of helping them (Mir & Wayland, Snap & Flatpack, Unity & Gnome 3). It'd be one thing if they were bringing better ideas and long-term support to their alternatives, bu…
Mir and WAyland was because wayland couldn't do what they wanted technically. Snap came BEFORE flatpak. Flatpak was the "new competing standard" in that situation. And Gnome shell, quite frankly, sucked. IMO it still sucks, but back then it sucked WAY worse.
Yeah, I wouldn't put down Ubuntu's traditional attitude as "we'll copy something so we can own it" - it's more of a "we'll do whatever we think is better for the experience we provide, screw the community". Which is still misguided and fundamentally doomed to fail in the long run, but not as malicious as, say, Apple's moves.
At the end of the day the scorecard reads:
- Mir: failed
- Unity: failed
- Snap: mostly failing
Meanwhile RedHat takes over stuff that doesn't work, makes it work a bit better, and pushes it on the whole ecosystem as "the" solution. And they win, and win, and win.