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Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by garretraziel »

mvolfik wrote: post #63
Netcob wrote: post #52

Reading the replies there tells me I did the right thing when I decided against a career in game development over a decade ago. It looks like a constant war between developers and gamers now. Developers are investing a lot of time into making their games literally addictive in the worst way possible, and not even remotely by making it fun - it's all about overpriced DLC, gambling and weird reward systems. Which has r…

It doesn't always have to be like this though. Look at Factorio – the devs are happy (looking from the outside, but they are always very enthusiastic about how they love the game), the community loves it (there are infinite remarks of people who sunk thousands of hours into this game, all for a single payment of 25 €), and they don't seem to have any financial issues either. I have not seen many disappointed people a…

When it comes to Factorio, I've seen some backslash/hate from gamers for dev's decision on never putting Factorio on sale.

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by seanwilson »

adnzzzzZ wrote: post #124
TeMPOraL wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a different kind of addiction. Factorio is the ultimate nerd-snipe[0] for a large class of people who enjoy flexing their brains. The addictiveness is a side effect the developers maximizing having fun (for the aforementioned subset of the population). When people talk about "making games as addictive as possible" in the general and pejorative sense, they usually mean something else: they mean that the optimizat…

I disagree with this notion. The primary reason why Factorio doesn't feel unethical or exploitative is because the kind of addictiveness it exploits is one that uses your brain, whereas the kind of addictiveness these "unethical" games exploit is one that feels more dumb and low brow. It has nothing to do with it being win-win like you mentioned. There's this bias where games that are extremely addicting but that app…

Is there a better word to use than "addictive" to describe the brainy one over the unethical one?

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by Daho0n »

me_me_me wrote: post #73
mvolfik wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't always have to be like this though. Look at Factorio – the devs are happy (looking from the outside, but they are always very enthusiastic about how they love the game), the community loves it (there are infinite remarks of people who sunk thousands of hours into this game, all for a single payment of 25 €), and they don't seem to have any financial issues either. I have not seen many disappointed people a…

Same with Hades by Supergiant Games. Its an amazing game and the company is proudly kicking people out if they try to stay after hours. It is possible but you can also squeeze the life out of your replaceable staff and hold them guilt hostage (if you don't work as hard as everyone else then you are making them work harder). If the project has crunch time for the most development time then its not a crunch its the nor…

You can't both be amazing and have sold out to Epic. It is one or the other.

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by adnzzzzZ »

wongarsu wrote: post #127
Netcob wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, exactly. I just played a mobile game, and as usual it has a hundred different in-game currencies that you can buy with real money. Every time I finish a level there's an endless parade of meaningless "rewards", and I see some coins going into a piggybank. When it was full, I clicked it, and the game congratulated me for now being eligible to buy the contents. The game is a clone of puzzle bobble. Like you said,…

I think a tell-tale feature of manipulative games is Farmville-style time-gating. They structure their progress around meaningless actions like clicking upgrade buttons, but you can only press that button every couple hours. So playing optimally isn't so much about strategy or skill, but more about incorporating the game into your daily routine. The intent is of course to form a habit, so that players habitually play…

Why is this kind of manipulation bad but RNG-gated content, such as in most roguelikes, which are loved by lots of people, not bad? These value judgements are always arbitrary and hiding the biases of the speaker.

You, personally, don't like time-gated content. That's fine. But it's another thing entirely to say that because you don't like it it's morally wrong. Tons of people have no problem with it and in fact enjoy being limited by how much time they can play a game per day and to slowly build up their progress over time.

Plus, for many games these things are this way for multiple reasons. For instance, Genshin Impact, a very popular game released recently has time-gated content in the way you mentioned. But it's also a game made in China, where there are rules stating that kids can't play games for too many hours during a single day. In such an environment, time-gating is a perfect solution for both the legal problem of not encouraging people to play for too long in a single day, but also as a way to prevent people from levelling too fast beyond what the game has to offer. In this latter case it's just another way of keeping people engaged until you release new content.

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by trzeci »

mjevans wrote: post #90

It's probably too early to know for sure, but do 'we' know that it was just data taken, not data modified / added? I really hope they take proper measures to quarantine, re-validate, etc.

This can be verified with local copies from developers - history in SCM in unmodifiable - and if it is - it's easy to spot due to different SHAs

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by tinus_hn »

Netcob wrote: post #52

Reading the replies there tells me I did the right thing when I decided against a career in game development over a decade ago. It looks like a constant war between developers and gamers now. Developers are investing a lot of time into making their games literally addictive in the worst way possible, and not even remotely by making it fun - it's all about overpriced DLC, gambling and weird reward systems. Which has r…

It comes with the territory, you can’t make a 200 million dollar game just because you ‘love gaming’.

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by Daho0n »

me_me_me wrote: post #115
meibo wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: Supergiant also sold out to Epic Games, one of the game industry harbingers of doom and workplace abuse(together with Activision-Blizzard). Might not want to give those any money.

I waited and got it on steam. You can't blame them for taking time exclusive money, they are a business afterall. And its not like they support their practices.

Taking their money is absolutely supporting Epic and what they do. Supergiant have every right to chose money above everything else but a few gamers won't take it and will just not buy their game at all. I didn't buy it and I'm aware I make no difference to them but if I had bought it I'd be part of the problem.

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by vharuck »

seanwilson wrote: post #132
adnzzzzZ wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with this notion. The primary reason why Factorio doesn't feel unethical or exploitative is because the kind of addictiveness it exploits is one that uses your brain, whereas the kind of addictiveness these "unethical" games exploit is one that feels more dumb and low brow. It has nothing to do with it being win-win like you mentioned. There's this bias where games that are extremely addicting but that app…

Is there a better word to use than "addictive" to describe the brainy one over the unethical one?

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Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by adnzzzzZ »

seanwilson wrote: post #132
adnzzzzZ wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with this notion. The primary reason why Factorio doesn't feel unethical or exploitative is because the kind of addictiveness it exploits is one that uses your brain, whereas the kind of addictiveness these "unethical" games exploit is one that feels more dumb and low brow. It has nothing to do with it being win-win like you mentioned. There's this bias where games that are extremely addicting but that app…

Is there a better word to use than "addictive" to describe the brainy one over the unethical one?

If there is one it shouldn't be used. Both types of games are addicting in fundamentally the same way. The only thing that differs is the main trait which each game is using as its primary host. The "unethical" type of game is as unethical as the other, which means they're either both very unethical or both very not unethical, depending on how you want to look at it.

Re: CD Projekt Red has been subject to a cyber attack and ransom demand

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Post by gameswithgo »

Netcob wrote: post #52

Reading the replies there tells me I did the right thing when I decided against a career in game development over a decade ago. It looks like a constant war between developers and gamers now. Developers are investing a lot of time into making their games literally addictive in the worst way possible, and not even remotely by making it fun - it's all about overpriced DLC, gambling and weird reward systems. Which has r…

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