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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Abandoning Google services will not work because only a negligible number of people will actually do it. Here's what may actually work:

- Make a website documenting cases like this and strongly encourage visitors to install an ad-blocker and tell friends and family and social media followers to do the same.

- Whenever there's a high-profile case like this, ask people to install an ad-blocker and share a link to this website.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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post #55

This makes me anxious about my long time Gmail address. Back then I got it just because it and Google was cool, and their services had a good reputation. It was a different Google back then. If they had launched it this year I would never have got one because chances are it would have been cancelled by 2025. Gmail is really the only valuable thing that actually ties my life to Google. And it's not that hard to replac…

What's the best way to back up your data? Google Takeout? Is that easily ingestible into other email programs?

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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post #64
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This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

Shows the bias in machine learning. One simple parameter isn't added and the whole model is bullshit. One parameter would be: Amount of money this customer has spend on our products. Another would be: Active time since signup. I'm pretty sure if "money spend > 0" is actually a legitimate threshold to remove a lot of spam, although not all. "money spend > 200" might to the trick though.

This can be gamed. There are so many stolen credit card numbers and/or payments using Apple/Google pre-paid cards out there, so it's not difficult to automatically build accounts with this kind of 'reputation'.

Unfortunately the best way to do KYC is (still) human intervention (and use of data).

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the good old Don't Be Evil days. I've asked so many people if they can remember Google's old slogan. Nobody does.

Their new slogan is hilarious. It's not even one slogan, it's three: * Respect the user * Respect the opportunity * Respect each other The first one is obviously a joke, because nothing says "respect the user" like canceling a beloved service with millions of users, or "updating" the product while losing half the features. The last one makes you wonder why they had to put it into a slogan. Isn't it the baseline expec…

This is hilarious. So obvious that it was written by a non programmer. Since the "respect the" part repeats 3 times.

Also no programmer had anything to say how bad it is. In a software company...

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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post #55

This makes me anxious about my long time Gmail address. Back then I got it just because it and Google was cool, and their services had a good reputation. It was a different Google back then. If they had launched it this year I would never have got one because chances are it would have been cancelled by 2025. Gmail is really the only valuable thing that actually ties my life to Google. And it's not that hard to replac…

Google was never nice. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3460094

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get your own domain, get one on a well-known TLD (e.g. .com, .org or your own country code). If you get a gTLD that's not well-known, there are some endpoints that will block you because your email is "not valid".

Is .dev or .io considered a well-known gTLD by now? I’m in process of setting up email for my .dev domain.

Do not use .dev, some companies are using .dev for internal dev hosts and might be blocking on DNS level all external dev addresses.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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As usual, some Googler browsing HN will reactivate his account, everyone will forget and Google won't change a thing to his unbanning process.

People at Google really do want to fix this... But it's a minefield of: * Legal stuff (eg. some algorithm detected child porn in his account, is an employee legally allowed to look at it to confirm the algorithm was correct? no.) * Internal Politics (eg. one team has found this account DoSing their service, while the account is perfectly normal in all other ways, but due to Googles systems being so complex a single-s…

> due to Googles systems being so complex a single-service ban is very hard to implement

Now that sounds like a technical problem that could be solved!

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their new slogan is hilarious. It's not even one slogan, it's three: * Respect the user * Respect the opportunity * Respect each other The first one is obviously a joke, because nothing says "respect the user" like canceling a beloved service with millions of users, or "updating" the product while losing half the features. The last one makes you wonder why they had to put it into a slogan. Isn't it the baseline expec…

TIL the Mafia has a pretty decent, humane code of conduct.

The Mafia /g has teams that all do the same thing. Google has teams doing different things: here, in one corner, a team makes something benign or maybe even positive, over there, other "googlers" are doing suspect things, like putting together the [AI] surveillance infrastructure. They are all "googlers" but only some used to have TSCs. So "respect each other".

Now as far as "the user", well the joke is apparently on GP, as everybody and their dog knows that 'on the internet, if the product is free, you are the product and not the user!'. Even dogs on internet know this, but alas, HN has forgotten. So, "respect the user" means respect the folks who are paying us to track everybody and their dog on the internet.

Respect "the opportunity". Translation: This is a "Golden Time' for the few to lord it over the many! So the respect the user, and respect each other, and the rest should be grateful for having 'the permission' to use our platform.

Hope this helps.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get your own domain, get one on a well-known TLD (e.g. .com, .org or your own country code). If you get a gTLD that's not well-known, there are some endpoints that will block you because your email is "not valid".

Is .dev or .io considered a well-known gTLD by now? I’m in process of setting up email for my .dev domain.

I have a .is and .co that I hope are considered well-known .

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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post #55

This makes me anxious about my long time Gmail address. Back then I got it just because it and Google was cool, and their services had a good reputation. It was a different Google back then. If they had launched it this year I would never have got one because chances are it would have been cancelled by 2025. Gmail is really the only valuable thing that actually ties my life to Google. And it's not that hard to replac…

Start the process of getting out right now. Get an email address that you own, on a domain you control. Switch to a provider that takes your money for whom you are the customer - not the product. I did this with Fastmail and Iki.fi, a Finnish non-profit[1], who have been selling people "permanent" email addresses since 1995. [1] http://www.iki.fi/

I pay Apple for my email address, although I’d prefer to run email off my own domain.
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