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Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Maybe the solution is to not have single platforms that are this big.

Then move off. It's not the only solution. There are alternatives to all these: Search, Email, Game streaming, Online doc editing, Etc

I'd argue there's no real alternative to YouTube. There's got to be orders of magnitude more content there than all of its competitors combined.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

Their size insulates them from competition, which means less accountability.

We need to give them competition in the form of neutral and permissionless decentralized platforms. Such platforms should be the primary forum for commerce and communication, and privately owned permissioned platforms like Google should be small/bit players in comparison.

Right now the situation, in terms of whether the digital commons are primarily controlled by private companies or by public networks, is the opposite of what it should be.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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This makes me anxious about my long time Gmail address. Back then I got it just because it and Google was cool, and their services had a good reputation. It was a different Google back then. If they had launched it this year I would never have got one because chances are it would have been cancelled by 2025. Gmail is really the only valuable thing that actually ties my life to Google. And it's not that hard to replac…

I've been considering getting a new email address on a personal domain so it can be more portable and I can change providers. Does anyone recommend any alternate providers with custom domains, or some OSS? Is it possible to host your own email server on a NAS or RPi something?

I use Fastmail with a personal domain name.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

Shows the bias in machine learning. One simple parameter isn't added and the whole model is bullshit.

One parameter would be: Amount of money this customer has spend on our products.

Another would be: Active time since signup.

I'm pretty sure if "money spend > 0" is actually a legitimate threshold to remove a lot of spam, although not all. "money spend > 200" might to the trick though.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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This makes me anxious about my long time Gmail address. Back then I got it just because it and Google was cool, and their services had a good reputation. It was a different Google back then. If they had launched it this year I would never have got one because chances are it would have been cancelled by 2025. Gmail is really the only valuable thing that actually ties my life to Google. And it's not that hard to replac…

I've been considering getting a new email address on a personal domain so it can be more portable and I can change providers. Does anyone recommend any alternate providers with custom domains, or some OSS? Is it possible to host your own email server on a NAS or RPi something?

Do not host your own email unless you really, really want to do that for learning purposes or something similar.

You can use fastmail, or if you don't want to lose Gmail's UI you can use GSuite which lets you use a personal domain name.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then move off. It's not the only solution. There are alternatives to all these: Search, Email, Game streaming, Online doc editing, Etc

I'd argue there's no real alternative to YouTube. There's got to be orders of magnitude more content there than all of its competitors combined.

I'll give you YouTube :)

YouTube feels like it's about to hit some wall though, content matching copyright take downs seem to be getting out of control.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

There's virtually no chance that the automated system that banned him knew the account belonged to someone with whom Stadia was doing business. Even if we assume there's a list of high profile people/accounts not to automatically disable, I can't see him being on it.

It's possible to have a system that marks high profile accounts that shouldn't have automated actions applied ... that it appears Google doesn't have something like this is worrying.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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The company I work for has banned the use of Google Cloud due to how they treat their Play Store developers, in particular that there never seems to be any human being that you can talk to and find out what you need to do to fix the situation. We do not want the same to occur to our servers or if there is an overflow from Play Store ban to GCP etc.

Can you imagine any serious new project starting on Google Cloud with their lack of human support? I wonder if Google knows this is why they will never compete with Azure or AWS.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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Hopefully, more devs will do what this dev is (said to be) doing. > Consider it burned. #Terraria for @GoogleStadia is canceled. My company will no longer support any of your platforms moving forward. Of course, it's very difficult for small devs to do this. It takes an already solid business to be able to stand up like this. As always, I think this is the only way for Google to change, but I don't think it can happe…

Good on him. Takes courage and an established product to do this. Good example of standing up.

> Good example of standing up.

But he won't pull Terraria from the Play Store I guess. Because he has no choice unless he wants to wreck his business.

Re: Terraria on Stadia cancelled after developer's Google account gets locked

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This happens again and again. I have had that happen to my twitter account. I see this regulary on HN. My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people. Because honestly, the amount of spam and abuse that are likely happening on these platforms has to be mind boggling high. So I get why t…

My suspicion is that this is mostly happening because platforms that big like google or twitter rely very heavily on machine learning and other AI related technology to ban people Most likely yes. And the annoying thing is that they don't take into account different languages. The AI can recognize words, but not meaning. A while ago some Dutch person tweeted: "Die Bernie Sanders toch." Die = that, in Dutch. But the A…

These are exactly the cases that worry me. ML / AI is not ready to be used like that. IDK if it ever will be, but they are already using it in production anyways.
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