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Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Layke1123 wrote: post #470
boomboomsubban wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like cults? Claiming religious authority to abuse someone is a crime basically everywhere. If you're trying to refer to Muhammad, calling a few lines about a political marriage not contained in the Qur'an "promoting that viewpoint" is assholish behavior. If there's some other target or just a hypothetical, it would depend on how the religion viewed the section today.

You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. If a religion today promoted that a 50 year old can marry a 9 year old, would you ban it or not? If a religion today claimed that the rapist of a woman who was single was forced to marry said woman, would you ban it or not?

>You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this.

Despite your attempts to provoke me, my answer to every question has been "it's fine" except for the clear cut case of abuse. Now you're continuing towards what I view as islamophobia even after my warning. I really don't understand what you're hoping for here.

Child abuse, rape, and forced marriage are all things that should be illegal. Claiming a law is wrong shouldn't be illegal, but if the church was actively pushing their members to commit crimes they would likely be accessories. At no point would I ban a religion.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Post by shadowgovt »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #432
shadowgovt wrote: post #181

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it's more that their morality includes compliance with the laws of the states they operate in. It always has, and they will buck those laws on extremely rare occasions, usually when they believe they are seeing a mis-implementation of the laws, and (when outside the US) usually by ceasing to do business in the territory (see: Google's pullback from China). None of what we're seeing in Pakistan right now is new for te…

> "their morality includes compliance with the laws of the states they operate in. It always has" I will believe it when they pay their taxes

They pay all the taxes they are legally required to pay.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Post by babesh »

zepto wrote: post #461
babesh wrote: post #435

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I said they were hypocrites. Not that it would have an effect. It would end their hypocrisy.

Seems like you don’t care about religious freedom Pakistan at all. This is just about you wanting to shame Apple.

And you don’t care about hypocrisy. And you don’t care about religious freedom either.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Post by etc-hosts »

selimthegrim wrote: post #368
etc-hosts wrote: post #346

I fell down Internet hole and read https://www.reddit.com/r/Ahmadiyya_Truth/comments/bb7il1/ame... They could have at least spelled Nancy Pelosi correctly.

Shahid's brother Rashid is the real issue, a vaccine truther and quack.

Didn't realize Rashid Buttar is his brother.

I once went down rabbithole of Rashid sites, they're crazy!

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Post by Layke1123 »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #471
Layke1123 wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. If a religion today promoted that a 50 year old can marry a 9 year old, would you ban it or not? If a religion today claimed that the rapist of a woman who was single was forced to marry said woman, would you ban it or not?

>You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. Despite your attempts to provoke me, my answer to every question has been "it's fine" except for the clear cut case of abuse. Now you're continuing towards what I view as islamophobia even after my warning. I really don't understand what you're hoping for here. Child abuse, rape, and forced marriage are all things that should be illegal. C…

It's not an attempt to provoke. I'm not sure why you think that.

But you bring up a great point again. Define religion? I take it Satanism is a religion to you yes?

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Layke1123 wrote: post #475
boomboomsubban wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You are really about to start splitting hairs here I feel, but let's do this. Despite your attempts to provoke me, my answer to every question has been "it's fine" except for the clear cut case of abuse. Now you're continuing towards what I view as islamophobia even after my warning. I really don't understand what you're hoping for here. Child abuse, rape, and forced marriage are all things that should be illegal. C…

It's not an attempt to provoke. I'm not sure why you think that. But you bring up a great point again. Define religion? I take it Satanism is a religion to you yes?

>I'm not sure why you think that.

Because this started with your objection to me saying religious persecution is wrong, and within three posts you had called Jesus gay and Muhammad a pedophile just to see what kind of reaction I gave. If you disagree, explain what you're hoping to get out of this interaction.

Re: Google, Apple cave to Pakistan pressure to take down apps by Ahmadiyya Muslims

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Post by zepto »

babesh wrote: post #473
zepto wrote: post #461

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Seems like you don’t care about religious freedom Pakistan at all. This is just about you wanting to shame Apple.

And you don’t care about hypocrisy. And you don’t care about religious freedom either.

Thanks for being honest.

I care about hypocrisy. I just don’t think it’s a moral issue, because everyone is a hypocrite from someone else’s point of view.

I care about religious freedom quite deeply, indeed more so than most freedoms. I am interested in constructive steps to improve it. Pakistan is a theocracy, where as many as 90% of the population are Sunni Muslim. The Ahmediyya are a modern sect founded in the late 1800s, who are regarded as non-Muslims by the Pakistani constitution. The vast majority of the Pakistani population supports this view.

I don’t think you know much about how to change this situation, and I think it’s fairly obvious that Apple or Google leaving, as you have already admitted elsewhere, would not have a significant effect.

It’s really not clear what you are trying to achieve, except for some shaming of Apple for a bullshit reason.

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Post by selimthegrim »

nashashmi wrote: post #391
valarauko wrote: post #58

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The community also produced Pakistan's first Nobel Laureate, and the first Muslim to receive a Nobel for science. Upon his death, the Pakistani government defaced his gravestone to remove the word "muslim". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdus_Salam

Indeed they are highly educated minority. Often it is thought that the British facilitated their establishment and growth and gave them opportunities both in the colony and abroad from which they prospered.

I don't understand how people can think Akbar Allahabadi was the best thing since sliced bread and then complain that other people participated in British education more than them. Doesn't that come with the territory?
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