plant based "meat" is not good for you. do not eat it.
Source? The nutritional labels of plant-based meats have many more essential micronutrients.
How to lower the price of plant-based meat
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Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plant-based food aimed at replacing meat is often a too-many ingredient, industrialised nightmare.
...unlike the animal industry which is just full of fluffy, happy, loved cows who proudly line themselves up to be turned into tasty beef for your pleasure... Have you seen the animal industry? It's absolutely disgusting. Getting rid of that would be an enormous net win, both ethical and environmental.
Fix that then. Replacing garbage meat with garbage ersatz meat isn’t a win.
Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#323A tangential topic - I really think that in general calling plant-based things "meat", a terrible idea. It does not promote plant-base diet or meat consumption reduction. It is trying to be what is not. I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. Why? Because the consumer is told it is "meat", so they will compare it to meat. They will compare these patties to a real, prime An…
> I really think that in general calling plant-based things "meat" [is] a terrible idea
Nutmeats will now be known as nutguts.
Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#324Interestingly it doesn't even discuss the obvious solution: Let people who buy real meat pay for the externalities. (Interestingly even in places where there's some form of carbon pricing - like the EU - this often doesn't cover a large share of emissions from meat production, as methane emissions are very relevant here - I'm not aware of any methane pricing scheme anywhere.)
Even if we ignore externalities and pollution costs, just stop outright subsidizing animal meat production so much. The reason meat is so cheap is because our government puts a lot of effort and money into making it cheap. I don't know why more people aren't trying to sell this to the "free market" crowd as government overreach. The reality right now is that plant-based protein is gaining popularity despite the marke…
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Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
...unlike the animal industry which is just full of fluffy, happy, loved cows who proudly line themselves up to be turned into tasty beef for your pleasure... Have you seen the animal industry? It's absolutely disgusting. Getting rid of that would be an enormous net win, both ethical and environmental.
Ethics aside, I think the parent comment was referring to weird additives and oils in things like the Impossible Burger. That being said, I think it's only fair to compare that to all the antibiotics, hormones, and fertilizers that your average low-grade ground beef has been exposed to or fed.
> I think the parent comment was referring to weird additives and oils
Weird, how?
Weird, because they have funny names that are hard to pronounce, and are therefore magically "unnatural" and bad for you?
Or weird, because their effects on nutrition, digestion, and human health hasn't been widely studied yet?
Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#326Umm, just eat the plants instead? I don't get fake meat. It is a solution to the wrong problem. Make a small amount of meat sustainable and respectful of animal wellness. Then make the rest of your diet plant based. Done.
yeah the whole sustainability issue arises because of our excessive consumption. Just limit your intake by at least 50% or more and then slowly raise it by eating more vegetables. The whole narrative around sustainability of meat has been completely hijacked by corporate interests who wants to push non-meat as meat. Their whole goal is to enmesh it at a cultural level so that they can increase sales, not really conce…
> Their whole goal is to enmesh it at a cultural level so that they can increase sales, not really concerned about the real problem which is cruelty, indifference to the treatment of animals by the bovine industrial complex.
The product solves animal cruelty and lots of the customers buy it for that reason, so why should I care very much that the company itself is amoral?
> It's even more dangerous now because of the misinformation and groupthink by self appointed morality police.
I'm sorry, did you just swerve immediately from complaining about people's morals into calling other people the morality police?
And you're arguing that the people that are indifferent to animal suffering are being groupthinked into not causing that suffering, and that this is a bad thing?
Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#327A tangential topic - I really think that in general calling plant-based things "meat", a terrible idea. It does not promote plant-base diet or meat consumption reduction. It is trying to be what is not. I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. Why? Because the consumer is told it is "meat", so they will compare it to meat. They will compare these patties to a real, prime An…
I used to say this. My experience of substitute meat was basically "What the, why does this cafeteria burger taste like garbage? Dammit, I grabbed the fake tofu one by accident.". The key recent difference, for me, is that this experience doesn't happen with the new veggie burgers (like the beyond burger). They just taste like a decent burger. You can prepare them in the same way as a meat burger. You can store them in the same was as a meat burger. They are a decent burger substitute.
Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who would you call if your house would have a mouse problem? Exterminator or IT support? I guess things can have multiple definitions and we can use context to distinguish between them?
Any disambiguation is still not covered by your stated definition, that definition is simply wrong.
> that definition is simply wrong
You may wish to read the full entry at: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meat
If you still consider it wrong, perhaps you may wish to write Merriam-Webster and suggest a change.
Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#329A tangential topic - I really think that in general calling plant-based things "meat", a terrible idea. It does not promote plant-base diet or meat consumption reduction. It is trying to be what is not. I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. Why? Because the consumer is told it is "meat", so they will compare it to meat. They will compare these patties to a real, prime An…
Agree. I have never had beef or any meat egg in my life. My coworker, american, suggested me that the new restaurant in town as Almost Meat burger, made of soy, but texture/taste almost like beef.
I love soy, tofu, cheese, but I do not want to taste or feel the texture of any meat. So I don't think I will ever be eating anything which resembles meat, taste/content/texture wise.
Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. I think you are completely wrong. People eat meat because they like the taste and the texture, but at the same time everyone knows that meat is produced by killing animals, and that it's much less sustainable than vegetarian food. If you want to get people to switch to meat alternatives, you have to keep everything that's great abo…
Not OP, but as someone who is not vegetarian/vegan and is from a country with a cuisine that revolves heavily around meat (Mexican) I have to agree with OP. > If you want to get people to switch to meat alternatives, you have to keep everything that's great about meat (taste, texture, proteins), while removing everything that's bad about meat (slaughter, livestock industry). I think one thing is making sure it's grea…
> Trying to offer solutions that don't tackle the underlying problem make hard to guarantee long-term sustainability.
Maybe, but solutions that go against human nature are doomed to fail in the first place. Asceticism doesn't work. Asking people to do the right thing only has a tiny marginal effect.
The only solution to get long-term sustainability is to offer people a better, greener, more sustainable alternative, that doesn't inconvenience people. To overcome the force of habit, your alternative has to be both better and cheaper if you want to see mass adoption. Otherwise you'll just get niche adoption, which is pretty much useless on the grand scale of things.