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Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by snakeboy »

henrikschroder wrote: post #291
drukenemo wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plant-based food aimed at replacing meat is often a too-many ingredient, industrialised nightmare.

...unlike the animal industry which is just full of fluffy, happy, loved cows who proudly line themselves up to be turned into tasty beef for your pleasure... Have you seen the animal industry? It's absolutely disgusting. Getting rid of that would be an enormous net win, both ethical and environmental.

Ethics aside, I think the parent comment was referring to weird additives and oils in things like the Impossible Burger.

That being said, I think it's only fair to compare that to all the antibiotics, hormones, and fertilizers that your average low-grade ground beef has been exposed to or fed.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by tom_mellior »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #155
goatinaboat wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the figurehead, talking shop parliament. Effectively all the power in the EU belongs to the commission, which is appointed not elected.

EU Comissioners are proposed by the Council of the European Union, a body composed of EU member state ministers, themselves directly elected by the citizens of their respective states in national elections. Appointment of Comissioners follows the suggestions of national governments.

I don't know of any EU country in which ministers are elected as ministers. Many are elected as MPs and then appointed ministers, but this is typically not a requirement, and you can easily have unelected ministers. Even if 100% of all ministers were always elected as MPs, you couldn't just argue "was elected for position X, must therefore automatically be considered democratically legitimized for position Y".

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by throwaway2245 »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #190
Already__Taken wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a few of kinds of these burgers and honestly they're really nailing it with meat as a description.

Except for lying about it being meat. That definition should be reserved for animal-based protein.

I'm concerned if you're buying any product that's just labelled "meat" without further clarification. That doesn't sound good for you.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by TulliusCicero »

GNU_James wrote: post #153

>plant-based meat No such thing exists by definition.

What is it with this topic and people being intentionally obtuse?

"Hey, that's not actually meat!" Yeah, and almond milk isn't real milk, and peanuts aren't actually nuts. Who cares?

Are people looking at food from Beyond and Impossible and thinking it's for-real animal flesh? As long as it's labeled properly, what's the problem?

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by TulliusCicero »

grumple wrote: post #258

It’s interesting that the prices for meat quoted in the article are far lower than what I see in my major American city, with meat typically going for triple the quoted prices. Vegan alternatives are quite attractive because there’s not much of a price difference here.

It's possible you're just shopping at more upmarket places?

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by ksec »

> With an impending global financial recession

He didn't word it as "likely", or "may be". This reads to me as it will definitely happen. While I am not completely against the idea and certainly feel the real possibility of happening. It doesn't give a hint as to why.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by soufron »

eznzt wrote: post #66
AlecSchueler wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is a democracy.

Like the average EU citizen, I don't remember ever voting for anybody who represents me in the EU and I don't know any of the structures of power of the EU or how they work.

EU parliament members maybe? Does that sound a ring to you?

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by soufron »

goatinaboat wrote: post #101
gus_massa wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last election was in 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_European_Parliament_elect...

To the figurehead, talking shop parliament. Effectively all the power in the EU belongs to the commission, which is appointed not elected.

Euh, no it doesn't...

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by henrikschroder »

hunter-gatherer wrote: post #205
henrikschroder wrote: post #164

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> I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. I think you are completely wrong. People eat meat because they like the taste and the texture, but at the same time everyone knows that meat is produced by killing animals, and that it's much less sustainable than vegetarian food. If you want to get people to switch to meat alternatives, you have to keep everything that's great abo…

> People eat meat because they like the taste and the texture, but at the same time everyone knows that meat is produced by killing animals, and that it's much less sustainable than vegetarian food. I think this is too generous. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but the implicit message here is that people actually care about the animals and sustainability of meat farming. My spouse is vegetarian and I'm whatever. I don't…

> I have had the conversation of the horrors of meat production many times at the dinner table with a spectrum of people, and nobody changed their habits.

This doesn't mean that people don't care about the horrors of the animal industry. It just means that they don't care enough to change their habits. Huge difference.

Which is why meat alternatives are so important, because they allow people to stop eating meat without changing their habits!

Neither you nor the GP really eat meat, which means that neither of you belong to the target group for this product! You are not the consumer! You clearly do not understand the whole point of these plant-based meat alternatives! Your thoughts and opinions on the product development and marketing of these are 100% irrelevant, because they're not competing for your dollars! This product is not for you.

This product is for people who want meat, who love meat, people who wants to eat greasy, tasty, juicy, meaty burgers, and who don't want to substitute that for a "delicious" salad.

> and encourage people to eat those instead

No!

First you need to develop meat alternatives so that everyone can replace most of the meat in their diets without hassle, without sacrificing anything, without changing their diet. Then you can encourage people to branch out into other vegetarian dishes, since they're actually already practically vegetarians.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by xkcd-sucks »

zionic wrote: post #170
Jkvngt wrote: post #157

I know it's maybe not a very sophisticated position to take in the current year, but I will not eat the fake meat, I will not eat the bugs, I will not live in a pod, I will not own nothing.

I’m with you on everything but the cultured meat. If it’s real cells grown in an environment with no antibiotics or hormones that’s a huge win over growing an entire animal that stands in its own crap all day and is pumped full of growth chemicals and antibiotics so it doesn’t die. I’d love to buy my own self contained steak 3D printer for $10k

I mean you can already get a single-use steak maker that comes with a very sophisticated self-regulation system and only costs a few hundred dollars plus feedstock - it's called a feeder calf
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