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Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by ben_w »

yreg wrote: post #137
zionic wrote: post #3

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I completely agree. That's one area where europe is much better than the US, they tend to force stuff to be labeled what it is.

Just recently EP considered banning veggie burgers with the reasoning that something called a burger needs to contain dead animal parts.[0] I'm glad they changed their mind. [0] - https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-lawmakers-set-to-vote-on-...

Likewise, but the issue there is slightly different — if they had ruled that “burgers” had to contain meat, there would be a similar but stronger argument to force “hamburgers” to only refer to those made of ham.

Hamburgers are named after the place they were invented (the city of Hamburg), itself named after a big castle which in German is “Burg”.

And before anyone suggests one could also argue that “they’re only allowed to be called hamburgers if they’re from Hamburg and otherwise are just sparkling fried meat patties”, I apologise for spoiling the obvious joke by having looked up the EU rules for when something can be protected with a geographical designation (feta cheese, champagne, etc.) and discovered none of that sort of thing would apply.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by k__ »

Already__Taken wrote: post #173
k__ wrote: post #158

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Why shouldn't they compare it to meat? If I am asked to replace meat with plants, these plants have to compete with meat.

I've had a few of kinds of these burgers and honestly they're really nailing it with meat as a description.

Yes, I had a bunch of these new groundmeat replacements from different companies, and they were quite good.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by redisman »

Already__Taken wrote: post #173
k__ wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't they compare it to meat? If I am asked to replace meat with plants, these plants have to compete with meat.

I've had a few of kinds of these burgers and honestly they're really nailing it with meat as a description.

Impossible is great in burgers, pretty much can’t tell a difference. Beyond I don’t like as much, something about it being a bit soft and veggie tasting

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by n4r9 »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #190
Already__Taken wrote: post #173

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I've had a few of kinds of these burgers and honestly they're really nailing it with meat as a description.

Except for lying about it being meat. That definition should be reserved for animal-based protein.

Do you think people are fooled into thinking that it's animal protein?

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by Shivetya »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #143

A tangential topic - I really think that in general calling plant-based things "meat", a terrible idea. It does not promote plant-base diet or meat consumption reduction. It is trying to be what is not. I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. Why? Because the consumer is told it is "meat", so they will compare it to meat. They will compare these patties to a real, prime An…

Going to figure if the EU track record with soy/almond and other "milks" I would expect a challenge to force the issue there. [0]. However as you note, would it be a bad thing if they could not or would not reference it as meat?

I think the main reason for assigning the name to these plant based substitutes is to give the public a better understand of it uses and that its a valid substitute. To me, both meat and milk are generic names and its just a matter of time before expanding the definition becomes a non issue

[0]https://www.ecowatch.com/eu-vegan-dairy-law-2650162992.html

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #143

A tangential topic - I really think that in general calling plant-based things "meat", a terrible idea. It does not promote plant-base diet or meat consumption reduction. It is trying to be what is not. I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. Why? Because the consumer is told it is "meat", so they will compare it to meat. They will compare these patties to a real, prime An…

From what I’ve read, plant-based meat isn’t much healthier than normal meat, it’s benefits are primarily environmental and ethical. True plant-based food should have a health benefit at least, especially over meat.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by Grustaf »

henrikschroder wrote: post #164
WaitWaitWha wrote: post #143

A tangential topic - I really think that in general calling plant-based things "meat", a terrible idea. It does not promote plant-base diet or meat consumption reduction. It is trying to be what is not. I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. Why? Because the consumer is told it is "meat", so they will compare it to meat. They will compare these patties to a real, prime An…

> I think it pushes away those who are on the cusp of moving towards plant-base foods. I think you are completely wrong. People eat meat because they like the taste and the texture, but at the same time everyone knows that meat is produced by killing animals, and that it's much less sustainable than vegetarian food. If you want to get people to switch to meat alternatives, you have to keep everything that's great abo…

Well you could also just promote delicious vegetarian dishes. There are entire cultures that mostly eat vegetarian. Fake meat is such a silly concept.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by Judgmentality »

drivingmenuts wrote: post #190
Already__Taken wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had a few of kinds of these burgers and honestly they're really nailing it with meat as a description.

Except for lying about it being meat. That definition should be reserved for animal-based protein.

I don't get this at all. Why? So long as it's labeled appropriately (ingredients, possibly some disclaimer if required but I think that would be absurd) why not call it whatever we want? Meat is already a somewhat ambiguous term in English, so giving it legal protection seems odd to me.

Personally I think we shouldn't sell juice that's from concentrate as 100% juice, but I can easily find out by reading the ingredients so I don't care. And for those who don't already specifically buy juice that isn't from concentrate, enjoy discovering that almost all juice is from concentrate (and hopefully realize how much better it tastes when it's not). It's like ice cream that's been melted and refrozen. It may have the same ingredients but it doesn't have the same taste.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by ben_w »

DanBC wrote: post #88
sparrish wrote: post #2

It really shouldn't be called "meat". It should be called plant-based protein or meat-substitute. The definition of "meat" shouldn't change because you press some soy to look like a chicken leg.

Meat == food, not just flesh. This is a very old definition for the word. It's also still used to describe the bits of nuts that we eat ("coconut meat"). meat, n. 1. a. Food in general; anything used as nourishment for men or animals; usually, solid food, in contradistinction to drink. Now arch. and dial. green meat: grass or green vegetables used for food or fodder (see green a. 4). See also hard meat, horsemeat, wh…

I guess that explains “mince pies” in the UK. For non-Brits: they are a traditional Christmas sweet pastry the size and shape of a cupcake, filled with “mincemeat”, which is meat-free and not to be confused with “minced meat”.

Re: How to lower the price of plant-based meat

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Post by Grustaf »

secondcoming wrote: post #217
hamax wrote: post #182

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Definition of meat by merriam-webster: a: FOOD especially : solid food as distinguished from drink b: the edible part of something as distinguished from its covering (such as a husk or shell) The same as with milk. Nobody had problems with coconut milk until dairy lobby started fearing plant milk competition. And when one buys oat yogurt they know exactly what they'll get and what to compare it with. Or do you think…

Upvote this comment if you've ever encountered a native english speaker use the word 'meat' to be a synonym of 'solid food'. Option Base 1 I would like to see when Merriam Webster added this obscure definition, let alone have it listed first.

You do use it in a more general sense in some contexts, but I completely agree with your point.
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